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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Conspiracy Guy

We're slow! We did the living room and foyer and bathroom off-white last year, and now we have the dining room (and kitchen, as of tomorrow) will be bright yellow. Those were the rooms with the most damage from babies with crayons!

We'll probably move in a couple of years, when everything is painted. We always consider "What will a buyer think?" when we pick a color.


3,941 posted on 08/19/2005 2:51:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Laura Earl

I hate Chinese food!


3,942 posted on 08/19/2005 2:52:27 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: Laura Earl; Conspiracy Guy

LOL! If he's coming for supper, how come he couldn't make it up here to fix my stove?


3,943 posted on 08/19/2005 2:52:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick

Our kitchen is bright yellow, and our dining room is berry red. We will probably be here for 10 more years, and weren't that concerned with the colors. My bathroom is berry red also..very hot!!


3,944 posted on 08/19/2005 3:00:51 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Just messin' with you sweetie.


3,945 posted on 08/19/2005 3:01:24 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: sionnsar

Hello all!


3,946 posted on 08/19/2005 3:02:26 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tax-chick
Wwe don't plan to move. Started in Feb a room per weekend, usually two full coats because of colors. Finished the painting began the organizing. Shelves everywhere. Turned Utility room into pantry including upright freezer and 200 linear feet of shelves. Every closet made useful. Finished that then started turning the deck into a covered screened in porch of 300+ sq ft plus 140 sqaurefoot deck. Finished the week before Memorial Day. Here is a picture of the Dining Nook, Kitchen, and corner of the great room.

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3,947 posted on 08/19/2005 3:02:51 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: queenkathy

"Ice Cream Sandwich break?"

Actually, it was to watch a soap...my one vice...one soap. It's the only time of day that I resent interruptions...*hanging head in shame*


3,948 posted on 08/19/2005 3:03:19 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: sionnsar

Thanks, sion, but that doesn't look like the FR stuff...


3,949 posted on 08/19/2005 3:03:59 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Laura Earl

My next-door neighbors (exact same house) have what we use for the dining room bright red. They have a pool table in it! And they painted stripes on the walls in the room where I'm sitting now (our study, their guest room).

I think it's nice that the houses will be very different - sets them apart if we're all trying to sell! I suppose we could be here long enough to really enjoy the paint, but we've always moved before.


3,950 posted on 08/19/2005 3:04:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Wow...that's pretty. And it looks amazingly like my home!


3,951 posted on 08/19/2005 3:04:15 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: Tax-chick

Dang that is a big picture. I need to downsize that.

Gotta head home. Later.


3,952 posted on 08/19/2005 3:04:18 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Thanks!

I wasn't trying...now all I have to do is get a 000 before we have to pack up the castle and move it again.


3,953 posted on 08/19/2005 3:04:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

That's beautiful CG! Very cheerful!


3,954 posted on 08/19/2005 3:05:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: fanfan

LOL!

Can I help it if I love "The Terminator"?


3,955 posted on 08/19/2005 3:05:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Tax-chick

The walls in our study (where I am now) are olive. I wasn't sure how I'd like it, but ended up loving it.


3,956 posted on 08/19/2005 3:06:02 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Now THAT was funny! I can just picture that dog coming up from under the coffee table! That must have been a real hoot!


3,957 posted on 08/19/2005 3:06:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Laura Earl

I'm not sure I'd like that, either, but maybe I'd be surprised. I was in a friend's house this afternoon, and her office walls were dark brown. Doesn't show crayon, I guess!


3,958 posted on 08/19/2005 3:07:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I had heard that that particular even wasn't actually to occur until October. Check with your local TV station...or the college if they have astronomy classes. They'll tell you the correct dates.


3,959 posted on 08/19/2005 3:09:08 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Tax-chick

Dark brown is supposed to be very vogue now, but my jury is still out. My SIL has done her guest bath in a deep chocolate..I haven't seen it yet though. But yes, it would cover all kinds of damage.


3,960 posted on 08/19/2005 3:10:16 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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