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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Tax-chick

Hummingbirds are quick-tempered, eh?

Whould'a thunkit?


3,561 posted on 08/17/2005 4:48:32 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Hi Heels
No, but I called my boyfriend a troll this morning.....

LOL!

In what context?

I love it.

3,562 posted on 08/17/2005 4:50:31 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NicknamedBob

Absolutely maniacal. When I take the feeder back out, they'll all swarm and call me nasty names.

James likes them, though: "Tweet tweet! Buggies!"


3,563 posted on 08/17/2005 4:50:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: fanfan; Tax-chick
Melting is a problem for you?

You should get some of that new stuff called anti-melt. It's based on the principle of anti-freeze, but with different chemistry.

It keeps the snow frozen up to 60o!
3,564 posted on 08/17/2005 4:53:29 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Dead Corpse

How about 'truth teller'?

People just hate that, you know.

I guess that is why some people hate conservatives in general. :-)


3,565 posted on 08/17/2005 4:54:14 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NicknamedBob

You're making that up!


3,566 posted on 08/17/2005 4:55:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick
What does Der Prinz do? Is he like an accountant or something? Rocket scientist? ( no, wait, then he could handle the stove)

*thinking*

I know! He's an engineer!

LOL.

Am I right? ;-)

3,567 posted on 08/17/2005 4:58:20 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan; Dead Corpse; Tax-chick
"... why some people hate conservatives in general..."

As you can see by my previous post, I am trying to become more nuanced.

I just wanna be loved.

3,568 posted on 08/17/2005 4:58:45 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Tax-chick

Only $150? Hey, that's not bad. Lots of appliance repair guys where I live charge $75 to $90 just to show up. then you stack parts and labor on top of that and the same job at my house would've been over $300.


3,569 posted on 08/17/2005 5:00:42 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: fanfan

Got it in one! He's a computer network designer, electrical engineer. This does not mean he can fix a toaster, but he's very good with the computers :-). Natural gas is scary, though.


3,570 posted on 08/17/2005 5:01:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick
"You're making that up! "

You accuse me of creating a fiction?

If you want a technical explanation for how it works, I can supply that too.

3,571 posted on 08/17/2005 5:02:22 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: HKMk23

This company, one of the biggest appliance repair firms in the area, charged $79 flat fee (service charge and labor), plus the cost of the part. I thought it was a pretty good deal; much better than when I had the air conditioner guys last month!


3,572 posted on 08/17/2005 5:03:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: NicknamedBob
You accuse me of creating a fiction?

You have a problem with that?

Link for the "anti-melt"?

3,573 posted on 08/17/2005 5:03:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: NicknamedBob; All

Me too.

But not by the bad guys.

All.....we are going to get HS net soon, but we're on dial up for another month or so.

I'll check my pings in the morning. Thanks for the nice chat, and if you have absoutly nothing else to do, pray for me to get HS.


Gotta go, :-)


3,574 posted on 08/17/2005 5:04:05 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Tax-chick; fanfan; Dead Corpse
"Link for the "anti-melt"?"

Link for the anti-melt.

Google only had 197 hits for it. Must be pretty new stuff.

Snow melts when it de-crystallizes. To preserve crystallization requires a combination of static charge and surfactants. This is going to revolutionize Hollywood and the Ski industry.

3,575 posted on 08/17/2005 5:14:26 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

How interesting.


3,576 posted on 08/17/2005 5:18:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick

You looked, didn't you?

Maybe I'll write a story about Warm Snow, and how it changed the world.


3,577 posted on 08/17/2005 5:20:12 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I kind of glanced at it ... lots of the links looked dirty.


3,578 posted on 08/17/2005 5:21:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick

The only thing I saw with any reality to it was referring to plastics.

I like to think, -- not that someone might be gullible, -- but that I am persuasive...


3,579 posted on 08/17/2005 5:24:53 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

You are persuasive :-).


3,580 posted on 08/17/2005 5:26:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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