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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face; Tax-chick
Let me reprise it for you.

Tax-chick could not get her oven lit. Now, this may not be a big deal to anyone else, but keep in mind ... she has a bun in the oven!

Don't worry about the spiders. They'll be on the moon, unless some enterprising individual takes up my suggestion about going through the park on one. Even so, I doubt he'd use my idea about the kid sneakers. That one is pure me.

2,921 posted on 08/14/2005 1:45:19 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: fanfan

I think in the movie it was supposed to look menacing.

Actually, I don't mind spiders. How else can you play a spider yo-yo?


2,922 posted on 08/14/2005 1:47:28 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Darksheare

LOL!

Thanks! I had some strange dreams last night, and thought maybe I had wandered back into one with my eyes open. Either that or there is some Darksheare Residue laying around from last night...


2,923 posted on 08/14/2005 1:48:30 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
"...can you see me?"

Uh, no. But I can hear you ... now.

2,924 posted on 08/14/2005 1:49:35 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Ugh. (I hate Verizon and it's awful commercials.)


2,925 posted on 08/14/2005 1:51:03 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I'll go with the "Darksheare residue" possibility.

How else to explain my typo?


2,926 posted on 08/14/2005 1:51:49 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face

One of the things that happened to me when I was in Houston is that I watched a lot of TV for the first time in who knows how long, and finally got caught up on the commercials.

Some of them are pretty...weird.

Better to spend my time on the net.


2,927 posted on 08/14/2005 1:52:46 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Monkey Face

LOL.
Good one. Have you actually measured yourself yet?

I've been shopping, to buy dinner, get stuff at the Canadian Tire store, stop at the beer store....(yes, we have to go to a government operated beer store), keeping the dog on his meds, cleaning up after teenagers, and trying to let my DH have a nap.

I have also been freeping alot. I love that part. :-)


2,928 posted on 08/14/2005 1:53:01 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NicknamedBob

You made a TYPO??? *GASP* This is HUGH! It's really SERIES! I am so stuned by your revelation...*shaking head in amazement* NnB. Made a typo. Dang. Go figger.


2,929 posted on 08/14/2005 1:54:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

"Go ahead, Lady. Rub it in." Reverend Jim on Taxi, regarding the chinchilla breeding calculation.


I think my E key tends to double on me. Still, I should check.


2,930 posted on 08/14/2005 1:58:14 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

This is what I see in my mind when I hear or read or think of the word "Spider":

I see a small body with eyes, supported by a super-structure which allows them to creep, everywhere.

Upside down, even.

And they like/need to eat.

Yeah, spiders are creepy.

*Shudder*


2,931 posted on 08/14/2005 1:59:35 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

LOL!

I "listen" to TV shows (mostly History Channel, Discovery, news, etc.) so I can keep the volume low. There are a few commercials, however, that grate on my last nerve like there is no tomorrow.

They seem to have gone from the inane to merely stupid. And I think one of my pet peeves is using old R&R tunes ~~ some of which are still awesome.

But don't get me started! I'm actually glad you had time to relax and do "nothing" for a change.


2,932 posted on 08/14/2005 1:59:35 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

Actually, there is a book I'm nearly finished with that has a few typos in...I don't see that too often...in any books...


2,933 posted on 08/14/2005 2:01:33 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

I underscore that sentiment....


2,934 posted on 08/14/2005 2:02:17 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

My father and my hubby are arachophobic.

I think of Charlotte's Web.

Funny how that works.


2,935 posted on 08/14/2005 2:03:26 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Monkey Face

Advertising was one of the reasons I stopped watching TV, so I can understand!

Got to miss all the reality TV boom so far.

As far as I'm concerned, when Babylon 5 finished, there wasn't much reason to keep watching....


2,936 posted on 08/14/2005 2:05:38 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Yah...I like Perry Mason, and will watch when there are re-runs, and I'll watch movies on TCM, but for the rest of the time, the TV is on just so I know I'm "not alone"...old habits die hard, I guess.;o]


2,937 posted on 08/14/2005 2:08:46 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; All
You're not kidding about the ads today.

I've been listening to a show about advertising on the radio, and they have been playing all those old, great ads.

"Mama-mia! That's a spicy meatball"..........What do you think of?

"You'll wonder where the yellow went,......" Hmm?

Did you know that the "We've only just begun, to live...." song by the Carpenters was taken from an advertising jingle?

Cool, huh?
2,938 posted on 08/14/2005 2:09:30 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face

I was lurking..
Sorry...
*embarrassed*


2,939 posted on 08/14/2005 2:14:07 PM PDT by Darksheare (Small furry woodland creature falls to vorpal blade, film at eleven!)
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To: fanfan

Yah..I used to have Carpenters albums...I lost custody of them in my divorce. I even lost the original album of the "Tommy" Opera. Not the one by the Who, but the one with Tina Turner and Richie Havens, and Ringo...*sob-sob*


2,940 posted on 08/14/2005 2:16:34 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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