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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

"UNNNNGH! Gimme the girl!"


1,521 posted on 08/09/2005 3:27:46 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: mware; kerryusama04; KMB
"Has old KMB decided to drop by and grace us with his presence????

I don't know, mware. But I think that Kerryusama04 had it right when he said this to him:

"You, sir, are a seminar caller."

And I would add to that: probable paid opinion shaper.

Strange.

1,522 posted on 08/09/2005 3:27:51 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: NicknamedBob

you forgot to mention I installed DVD players on the shuttle to keep us entertained


1,523 posted on 08/09/2005 3:27:55 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Hi Heels

LOL!
Oops.
Sorry about that..


1,524 posted on 08/09/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: NicknamedBob

Oh good.

Thanks, Bob.

I hate not knowing what the deal is.

:-)


1,525 posted on 08/09/2005 3:28:53 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Monkey Face

Yeah, but that strangeness makes them adorable.


1,526 posted on 08/09/2005 3:29:42 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Darksheare

Shall I send flowers????


1,527 posted on 08/09/2005 3:29:55 PM PDT by mware (Now we know why the NYT didn't have time to cover AIR AMERIKA)
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To: mware

Only to me...


1,528 posted on 08/09/2005 3:30:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Here's one I like.

Fry up a mound of potatoes preferably in bacon grease. Cook them until parts are almost black.

In another skillet, brown thinly sliced kielbasa and drain off most of the grease. Then saute 1 purple onion, 1 red, 1 green, and 1 gold bell peppers in with the sausage.

Stir together in a large bowl and serve.

YUM!

1,529 posted on 08/09/2005 3:30:55 PM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: OSHA

That sounds really yummy!

I'll keep that recipe...Thanks! ;o]


1,530 posted on 08/09/2005 3:32:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: mware

I think we do have a flower vase around here somewhere.
KMB shall be reassembled, post zombie chewing, into a nice table or something.


1,531 posted on 08/09/2005 3:32:09 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: mware; Darksheare; SandyInSeattle
Shall I send flowers????

That's SIS's gig.

1,532 posted on 08/09/2005 3:34:00 PM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Hello, Miss Behave!

Drop in for our wine and cheese party?"

Yes! I guess so. I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I now see what has happened here. ;-)

Please pass that good lookin' cheese plate, and fill up my plastic wine glass, which I just happen to already have on my person. Thanks, Sandy! :-)

1,533 posted on 08/09/2005 3:34:34 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: OSHA; mware; SandyInSeattle

Well.. we were thinking on makign a table or something out of what was left of KMB once the zombies get done chewing on him.
That way the extra vase or three have somewhere to go.
(Sandy, the crate of various vases.. that's still around here somewher.. right?)


1,534 posted on 08/09/2005 3:36:01 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: tiamat
It was the cigars, right?

That and the cracker crumbs. :^)

1,535 posted on 08/09/2005 3:36:22 PM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: Monkey Face
"Welcome! We've taken over KMB's thread ~~ stole it fair and square!"

Good get, Monkey Face!

Did you all have to beat him with his own wet noodle? ;-)

1,536 posted on 08/09/2005 3:36:45 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: OSHA

I figured it was either the crumbs or the llama hair...


1,537 posted on 08/09/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Darksheare

I may need to do a little digging back in the storage room, but I'm fairly certain I can dig up a vase or two.


1,538 posted on 08/09/2005 3:39:55 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Miss Behave
I did bake a meatloaf tonight for dinner, I'll bring that with me when I bring the flowers.

BTW no need for water in the vase, the flowers are plastic.

1,539 posted on 08/09/2005 3:40:48 PM PDT by mware (Now we know why the NYT didn't have time to cover AIR AMERIKA)
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To: Miss Behave; NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse

The slime...he saw us coming in all our Undead Glory and ran like the coward he truly was.

I hope you like the new place. As you can see, NicknamedBob is making some changes (again) but he always manages to do the right thing.

Dead Corpse still hasn't told us what he's building in the blacksmith shop, but we know it will be good.


1,540 posted on 08/09/2005 3:41:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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