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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: SandyInSeattle
Slow day in Seattle. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz.......

Lucky you. 2-1/2 teleconference this morning, and another coming up this afternoon. My brain aches. *\:-(

1,141 posted on 08/05/2005 12:35:10 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar
That should say "hours."

When did we get moved to "Bloggers & Personal"?

1,142 posted on 08/05/2005 12:36:14 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: tuliptree76

howdy, Dr. Vixen


1,143 posted on 08/05/2005 12:45:53 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Greetings! Where have the Undead gone?

Well I was spending the day trying to keep peace in the office.

Yes, I know I feed off the chaos and general nastiness but my boss was hiding under my desk and I had no place to put my feet.

Why are some men such wimps when it comes to dealing with gangs of bitchy females?

1,144 posted on 08/05/2005 12:47:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: sionnsar

How are you doing, sionnsar?


1,145 posted on 08/05/2005 12:48:32 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: King Prout

;-)

How are you doing KP?


1,146 posted on 08/05/2005 12:49:21 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: sionnsar

Teleconferences more than an hour long should be illegal.

Thank goodness for a private office with speakerphone and a mute button.


1,147 posted on 08/05/2005 12:49:44 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Why are some men such wimps when it comes to dealing with gangs of bitchy females?

Weird, isn't it? When I was a young sergeant I had the unpleasant chore of counseling all of our wayward females. I asked the sergeant major why he didn't do it, and his reply was, "Because they're girls! And since you're one too..."

1,148 posted on 08/05/2005 12:52:41 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: tuliptree76
All right, I guess. Just waiting for the week To Be Over.

It started out well when I cleared all the pressing items off my plate Monday... but it went really downhill after.

How about you?

1,149 posted on 08/05/2005 12:54:15 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

I'm doing fine. The summer semester is officially over with now.


1,150 posted on 08/05/2005 12:56:25 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

not too shabby. you?


1,151 posted on 08/05/2005 12:56:33 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
I agree. When it's one of mine, it's restricted to two hours.

Unfortunately in this week's TCs I'm the technical expert being conferring with so the mute button doesn't get used.

3 minutes until the next... sigh...

1,152 posted on 08/05/2005 12:56:40 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: King Prout

I'm doing fine.


1,153 posted on 08/05/2005 12:59:05 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: sionnsar
Unfortunately in this week's TCs I'm the technical expert being conferring with so the mute button doesn't get used.

Bummer. I can usually make it nearly all the way through ours without having to speak.

1,154 posted on 08/05/2005 1:00:04 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: All

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**

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**

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**

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1,155 posted on 08/05/2005 1:09:25 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"Because they're girls! And since you're one too..."

LOL.. That is just about what he said to me.

Condense version of today's counseling. "Yes we are all over worked and under paid and I would rather be at the beach too but the next person who calls their co-worker a b*tch is going to be unemployed. Oh and logs are being kept of all IM messages."

"Now sit down, shut up and get to work so we can all go home."

I swear if they don't stop it I am going to take their IM capacity or fire the problem group. Maybe both.

1,156 posted on 08/05/2005 1:10:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Oh and logs are being kept of all IM messages."

LOL! That should quiet the place down.

1,157 posted on 08/05/2005 1:20:34 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle
It should. The gossip ring is getting out of hand.

I have been watching the logs for five months now. You would not believe some of the stuff I have read.

1,158 posted on 08/05/2005 1:36:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I can only imagine.

There is one gossip on my floor, and I avoid saying anything in front of her that I wouldn't want to see on a billboard.


1,159 posted on 08/05/2005 2:27:14 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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1,160 posted on 08/05/2005 2:35:20 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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