[mainepatsfan]

Talk about a standing headline.

[anonymoussierra]

"The Polish-Russian conflict, political, not historical, is therefore a fact. It cannot be avoided. Too much sets the two countries apart.

In fact, those divisions are inevitable if Poland is to retain its identity and not return from the European and euroatlantic path it has chosen. In its own interest, but also in Europe's. It is worth making sure that Brussels understands this."
translation
"Historically we have problems, neither of us can solve them; fore till you have old guard in Kremlin nothing would change this goes well with some of our guys in Warsaw. Before this gets personal and goes out of window, I would like to remind you; we have bigger problems to deal with it. History are pages passing as by in lightning speed; however memories are not easy to erase. Lets take this to a level higher then political debate; sense of one creates sense of two in metaphorically speaking = both sides better calm down and work something out; though looking at it; its impossible to reach agreement with Putin. I'm usually laid back lady; however I will stand by my country and reason to reach agreement. I will not stand by deceit and lies that are coming from Kremlin. Putin is playing a very dangerous game; we: like Russians know very well chess game. This may go well with west it won’t fly with us. Slavs have distinctive mentality and we know where points are move; response would be according of opponent moves. Do not underestimate my country; as well, don’t underestimate Russian people; warning for US president; Putin is playing game; time for US President to respond in right way and don't hesitate; Putin is not your soul mate: poison of flower can be deceiving. I'm writing in metaphor in order for you to fathom reality of danger we are all in. More dangerous is war that has already started; sad is life of a blind man.”Dzieki/thank you

[jb6]

ping

[RusIvan]

POLAND AND RUSSIA HAVE CONFLICTING STRATEGIC INTERESTS ==

It is polish opinion. Partly devised from overesteem of poles.

In Russia people doesn't know that they "conflict" with someone over Ukraine.
So silly idea:)).

Ukranians are our brothers. Now our relations partly difficult since they are so "independent". Let them be.
Let see what will be in future.

Now we all just try to get rich.

[Red6]

Good read, thanks.

Red6

[Wiz]

Today, the question's significance has been rapidly growing, due chiefly to mounting Polish-Russian disputes and conflicts. That has been a result, on the one hand, of the neo-imperialism of Vladimir Putin,

neo-imperialism LOL!

[Wiz]

What are Poland's interests in Russia? In principle, there are only THREE: [1] regulating the historical issues, [2] access to the Russian markets, and [3] supplies of Russian energy commodities.

And what are Russia's interests in Poland? Only ONE: dominating Poland's energy and fuel markets.

Has Poland ever think to get its oil from Central Asia? It is a little far, but there is one project to build an oil pipeline through Bulgaria from Central Asia, and it might be brought from the junction in Bulgaria through Ukraine and into Poland. That will allow Poland to rely less on Russian oil.

[RussianBoor]

Well, after reading the article and discussion:

Russia wants to keep Ukraine in its exclusive zone of influence and Poland perceives Ukraine as a EU member in the near future. Those two strategies are irreconcilable.

Absolutely wrong! The real situation is: Poland as well as some other EU member states and Brussels apparatchiks want to make Europe divided again, but now they want the new iron curtain built along the Russian borders. To advance their cause, they keep telling lies about "control" of Russia over Ukraine, Russian "aggressiveness", oil and gas "blackmail", etc. The real goal is to exclude Russia from building and keeping close relations with Europe. Such close relations are not in Poland's national interests because Poland then will stay forever a backward unimportant province of the EU. At the same time, close and conflict-free ties between Russia and EU are obviously beneficial to almost all European countries and the EU in general. Therefore, Poland is losing its positions in the EU. The real reason is not the issues of the past but that the EU's and Poland's interests are "irreconcilable".

Building new iron curtain is not in the interests of Ukraine either because then the strain between the West and the East of Ukraine may become unbearable. If Poland sincerely wishes Ukraine well it should stop pursuing policies which could easily result in breakup of this country. Exactly for that reason Russia works and will be working with Timoshenko and Yushchenko. Russia does not want to "control" Ukraine and never had (since at least 1992). At the same time, we do not want to loose our historic ties with Ukraine. We welcome Ukraine's stronger ties with Europe because such ties are our goal either. It is Poland who is trying to make these ties exclusive and "irreconcilable". So who "wants to keep Ukraine in its exclusive zone of influence"???

Poland's interests in Russia... are only THREE: [1] regulating the historical issues, [2] access to the Russian markets, and [3] supplies of Russian energy commodities.

Access to Russian markets... with WHAT? Except the Kaliningrad enclave, I do not know who in Russia may be interested in anything Poland can sell. Russian energy supplies...apparently, as follows from the discussion, Poland wants to get their supplies elsewhere and at the same time for whatever reason opposes the building of the Baltic pipeline. Why, guys? You wanna be independent? This pipeline will make you even more free and independent. Nobody will dominate your energy market (perceived Russian interest #1). That's a good deal, get off and forget about us and we'll forget about you with all your historical issues. Why not? As Rusivan has said, Russia has many things to do besides threatening Poland. Poland is Russian priority no. 999 out of 1000. However, we are interested in good relations with our Western European friends and we will not allow Poland and some other countries to spoil these relations.