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Deepest Wreck
Archaeological Institute of America ^
| March/April 2001
| Brett A. Phaneuf, Thomas K. Dettweiler, and Thomas Bethge
Posted on 10/17/2004 8:40:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
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challenging the long-held assumption that ancient sailors lacked the navigational skills to sail large distances across open water, and were instead restricted to following the coastline during their voyages***
Thanks for this reminder of challenging the traditional contemporary view.
This Wiki map of Phoenician trade routes seems to hint at at least one seaward route between Lepcis and Sicily.
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posted on
10/16/2019 3:31:57 PM PDT
by
Bob Ireland
(The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
To: BenLurkin
There would have been tremendous incentives for sailing direct over open water rather than hugging the shoreline. First, fewer underwater obstacles (reefs & such) on which to run aground. Also, piracy.
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posted on
10/17/2019 3:19:48 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
(Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
To: Bob Ireland; SunkenCiv
At about the same time, the Greeks were founding colonies around the northern Mediterranean, at least as far west as Marseille
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posted on
10/17/2019 9:27:50 AM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
To: BenLurkin
***the Greeks were founding colonies around the northern Mediterranean, at least as far west as Marseille***
True; the issue I had raised with SunkenCiv recently was whether trans-Atlantic commerce might have predated Columbus - and the Vikings. This posting highlighted the fact that a Greek ship was found in open seas contradicting the conventional view that shipping in the Bronze Age followed the sea coasts since they had no navigational skills.
Nothing determinative here but I remain receptive to the idea of early tans-Atlantic commerce - e.g. the source of tin (for Old World bronze). {see James Bailey, The God Kings and Titans}
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posted on
10/17/2019 10:44:24 AM PDT
by
Bob Ireland
(The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
To: BenLurkin
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posted on
10/17/2019 1:20:47 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: Tallguy
/bingo
Most of the histories are written by landlubbers.
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posted on
10/17/2019 1:22:27 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: Bob Ireland
It's safe to say that ancient skippers basically *never* hugged the coastlines.
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posted on
10/17/2019 1:23:21 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SunkenCiv
***It's safe to say that ancient skippers basically *never* hugged the coastlines***
:^) Didn't the Vikings possibly use a crystal or something to navigate?
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posted on
10/17/2019 3:21:29 PM PDT
by
Bob Ireland
(The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
To: SunkenCiv
This is what Donald and Melania Trump looked like in 2004, when this post was first made.
These days, they are a little older, a lot wiser and very much more powerful.
To: SamAdams76
What a lady in every sense of the word.” And Donald Trump is the man that matches the lady. A excellent match.
I am feeling mean now. I would like to cut that picture out and send it to Bill Clinton. Let him see who President Trump wakes up by every morning versus what he has.
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posted on
10/17/2019 3:33:27 PM PDT
by
sport
To: Bob Ireland
Yup, it's thought that they did. It's around here somewhere, I'm sure of it [rustling noise] ... .
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posted on
10/17/2019 4:08:59 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SamAdams76
They've aged better than I have. :^)
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posted on
10/17/2019 4:10:10 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
To: SunkenCiv
***
Didn't the Vikings possibly use a crystal or something to navigate?
Yup, it's thought that they did. It's around here somewhere, I'm sure of it [rustling noise]***
My goodness; you are a virtual Library of Alexandria! (Beware of Caesar - and Romans!)
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posted on
10/17/2019 7:56:11 PM PDT
by
Bob Ireland
(The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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