Posted on 10/13/2004 6:11:05 AM PDT by Truth Table
Kerry’s Discharge
I’m sure you’ve read at least some speculation about John Kerry’s “honorable” discharge from the navy being not-so-honorable. The New York Sun has an interesting story on this today:
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry’s campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry’s “Honorable Discharge from the Reserves” opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration’s secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry’s discharge as being subsequent to the review of “a board of officers.” This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy’s document, the “authority of reference” this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry’s record was “Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. “This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry’s involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn’t have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry’s status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
There’s more at NYSun.com. Why won’t Kerry sign a form 180, release all his military records, and clear up these questions?
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The October wingding may be about to show itself.
lol
FORM 180 BUMP
I am relentless.
"There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued."
Buckle up, the wheels are about to come off of the kerry campaign. Need to beat this drum loudly. As loud, IMHO, as Rathergate.
;)
Thank God! Finally!
Let this puppy grow huge legs!
The only chance that this has of gettin g to the general public is Hannity and Rush making it such an issue that the lame stream HAS to report it. It would be a good thing to spring during the Stolen Honor movie!
JOHN KERRY THE "WAR HERO" IS A TOTAL SHAM BUMP!!!
May have been "Under other than honorable".
He could not have been given a dishonorable discharge without a courts martial.
However, I supsect that for officers an admin discharge for an naval officer Under other than honorable conditions warrents the same as an enlisted person. Here is what the UCMJ says about enlisted folks:
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. OTH Discharges are warranted when the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services, or when the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitute a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services. Examples of factors that may be considered include the use of force or violence to produce serious bodily injury or death, abuse of a special position of trust, disregard by a superior of customary superior-subordinate relationships, acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services, and deliberate acts or omissions that seriously endanger the health and safety of other persons.
Persons awarded an OTH characterization of service: are not entitled to retain their uniforms or wear them home (although they may be furnished civilian clothing at a cost of not more than $50); must accept transportation in kind to their homes; are subject to recoupment of any reenlistment bonus they may have received; are not eligible for notice of discharge to employers (which may affect unemployment benefits); and, do not receive mileage fees from the place of discharge to their home of record.
Here is the naval regulations. Have not had time to look over them yet.
http://usmilitary.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://neds.nebt.daps.mil/Directives/5420174c.pdf
At least Bush recieved an honorable discharge. Kerry may have had to forfit all of his medals. But is that before or after he threw them away? And were they ribons or medals? And were they really interchangable?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I hear thunder in the distance. Keep this topic going.
The October wingding may be about to show itself.
But will the MSM cover this?
There are a lot of people out here who won’t believe it unless Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather say it’s so.
Drudge. Maybe some freeper or blogger will have drudge post it. Hope other bloggers are reading polipundent today.
They did not want to cover rathergate either. The blogs forced them to. If enough Americans want to know the truth, it will get told.
They miss the point. If lied about his discharge (it was not honorable) then everything else is a lie, the swifites were right, he's not fit to led, blah blah blah whole nine yards.
This kills kerry. They do not think it is important because liberals do not know the extent of devotion that middle america has for it's military. It escapes them. "Bad Discharge? NO big whoop. Carter fixed it!" I do not think that Carter saying it's all better, makes it all better. Not to vets, not to America.
Plus, he tried to hide it. BIG MISTAKE. HUGE
Some reporter has to ask him point blank if he had an OTH discharge.
And if he lies and says no, then he should be made to explain this form. I mean the story is as logical as can be. If he had an Honorable, there is no reason at all for this issue to be raised. Theres no reson to revisit it, and theres no reason to re-issue his medals. He's caught finally and he should have to explain this. I have absolutley no doubt that he cannot explain this without addmitting that he had an OTH discharge.
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