yes ... but I thought all that was a given, known or realized by most everybody. Though the latest addition to the scheme is the coordinated video produced by the DNC.
Sounds like how the DNC Bush smear was supposed to go down to me. Now if we could only implicate the RATs who are responsible, we could take the whole party down.
Very cogent, and it fits what's happening now with the DNC's new attack commercial, and only by the grace of FReepers and Bloggers, has this further plan been foiled. How sweet it is!
I didn't really see the point.
Even if everything was true, so what? They don't really compare with Kerry's leading a violent, communist-linked, anti-war organization.
Danny boy thought this was going to sink the President?
I agree. One of the 'extra' USA Today forged docs (the first one in the .pdf) has a link between Lts. Bush and Bath, the latter having some kind of drug problem in the NG. I think CBS was going to reveal these extra two docs in a later report, but they were revealed too early by USA Today in their pdf. CBS doesn't have links to the 2 extra docs on their website but the experts they consulted saw those docs and mentioned that on-air.
This whole campaign, the DNC's "Operation Fortunate Son" has been run to link President Bush and Laura to a history of drug abuse and drug selling. It seems to have fallen flat on its face.
This assumes that they did drug testing on routine physicals back then. Does anyone know how to find out which drug tests were available and were they done on the military?
You show "1972" above ...
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
What did Dan know, and when did he know it?
You may be right but I think the reason is a lot simpler. Just to keep questioning Bush's past in the news and, Like a poster mentioned, coordinate it with the Dems new attack ad. Boy, did that boomerang. Nice job Freepers.
The memos took the focus off of the Swiftboat Vets and Kerry's record..
"A bevy of New York Times reporters have this: "CBS has refused to say how it obtained the documents. But one person at CBS, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed a report in Newsweek that Bill Burkett, a retired National Guard officer who has charged that senior aides to then-Governor Bush had ordered Guard officials to remove damaging information from Mr. Bush's military personnel files, had been a source of the report. This person did not know the exact role he played."
For tis sport, to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard...
Very interesting.
"The End justifies The Means..!"
Examples:
If you need facts and can't find any so support you, then make them up!
If you are confronted by facts, deny or ignore them!
Laws are for little people, not for liberals!
This was supposed to be a two-phased assault (Phase I: get us to accept the memos; Phase II: claim memos are proof Bush was coked up). Phase I is still blowing up in CBS's face, which prevents them from getting to Phase II. However, they didn't want to drop Phase I it was the only way they can get to Phase II.
Now they are going to claim "the docs are forgeries, but the information in them is correct." They want to drop the docs, forget the whole forgery scandal, and jump straight into Phase II. They may have coached Killian's secretary because what she says is exactly what they want right now.
However, the public is not going to forget about the forgery scandal. CBS will not get to move on to Phase II until the forgery kerfuffle is resolved (and CBS doesn't want to resolve it because that means admitting major culpability)
If they could plan something this carefully, why couldn't they do a decent job of forgery?
I think the same maxim applies to the obvious shortcomings in the CBS forgery.
I'm on to Rove's plans ... Hate the pig, but have to admire his devious genius. What he's presently working is this ... If the memo's are indeed fakes he definitely would be the one pushing them. Even if the memos are real, the heavy hammering by shills is having the effect of creating doubt. Also, he's got shills asking leading questions at press conferences like "why is the White house allowing people like the AP and people like CBS to have access to press conferences after their anti-Bush lies". (booing of Bush, forged memos, etc) The reason this is being done is to set precedent that anything anti Bush is a lie. By discrediting the media at this stage anything that comes out negative between now and the election will be automatically suspect and eventually automatically discounted. He's creating an atmosphere of doubt while simultaneously distracting from anything substantial or issue oriented.
"Forgery" issue is another publican lie. publicanism equates with pathological prevarication and psychotic willfull ignorance.
Did Rove plant the CBS TANG documents? Did he do the same to Hatfield author of Fortunate Son, the book which broke the story of Bush's cocaine conviction back in 2000?
Send this story to Olberman at MSNBC. He already thinks it is Rove but I don't know if he knows the Hatfield story.
The documents are genuine. Real signatures, real sentiments, real events...real. No hard evidence has been put up to challenge them, only hearsay. "Probably", "likely"--not good enough, especially when not coming from experts.
I think its Rove.... ...this stuff benefits the Bush team more than the Kerry team. Keeps the focus off his record while time is wasted on this stuff.
The RNC Did This This is a total plant by the fascists in the RNC. Rove has got his fingerprints all over this. I wouldn't be surprised if CBS was in on it to try to damage Kerry. They should also look into probable involvement by Israel.
This is a totalitarian hijacking of our democracy, our freedoms of speech, and a DIRECT THREAT to Mr. Dan Rather, Citizen of the United States!!
My guess is that someone knew the true story about Bush's going awol, but lacking a smoking gun, created one. This is why the White House didn't denounce the doucuments when they say them; they knew they were the truth. Only now it comes out that the docs are a crude forgery. It was really stupid of CBS not to do a better job.
What unadulterated crap. Rather knows what he's doing, and... ...I get the sense that FratBoy will wish that he'd never tangled with him.
CBS is doing Democrats no favors here... I agree with IndianaGreen - stonewalling is like waving a hankie on a stick to divert attention from the fact that you aren't wearing any pants. It didn't work for Tricky Dick and it won't work for Dan. Rather is starting to make me cringe, while the Repugs smirk self-righteously. No one needs those stinking documents to assert that the chimp was a shirker -- there is plenty of other evidence -- but as long as the spotlight is on the documents' authenticity, it's off Boosh.
CBS has been AMAZING at disclosing the crap that the * Administration has gotten away with. I think they deserve everyone's support here.
The most amazing thing about this story is that it demonstrates the evil genius of Karl Rove and his gang of scumbags. They have framed the story as being about the veracity of the documents rather than about the substance of the accusations. Damn them to hell!
Here's my guess as to what happened: someone knows exactly how Bush avoided Vietnam and how he didn't fullfill his guard service. This person knew all the details, but didn't have any smoking guns, so forged some documents. CBS got ahold of these documents and it asked other people if their contents were believable, and of course people in the know, such as the secretary, said yes. CBS passed the documents to the White House, who looked at them and said holy shit! This is exactly what happened. So the White House didn't denounce them. At the same time, CBS ignored some critics who stated that the documents were foged: They went ahead with the story, and now we have forged documents that state the truth.