Actress Brooke Shields kills 140 of her very own Children by undergoing 7 IVF Treatments

Various | 07.25.04

[DoughtyOne]

Sorry, but the concious decision to risk millions of human deaths each year is a reality, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. Come on folks. You're ripping everyone else for not caring about human deaths, and now you're excusing millions of them away. Which is it with you folks?

[narses]

So you equate sex with murder, miscarraige with abortion, Well a day. Do tell, are there ANY religous denominations who buy your bushwa, or is it your own personal delusion that you embrace?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I think he's purposely antagonizing some of you here. No one can be that illogical.

[pascendi]

If your argument holds water, then it would also be true that all car manufacturers should be held liable for all auto-related deaths.

Agian: if all else fails, try using reason.

[lainde]

bttt

[Aquinasfan]

I thought simply because it was time and I wanted to have a baby it would work out.

Sadly, I find this attitude to be commonplace. We pray, "Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven," not, "my will be done," although this is how we often behave.

The critique of IVF is right on the money:

There are an average of 24 embryos destroyed or frozen in order for one IVF baby to be born. The moral principle violated by this procedure is the most fundamental of all moral tenets: one can never do an evil in order that good may come of it.

[Dominick]

Every year millions of miscarriages occur in this nation. That's millions of human beings killed by the selfish decision of couples who could very easily quit having sex and prevent the carnage.

A child that miscarried in this way, has already failed to live, and since we all die eventually, then all procreation is unethical.

When we use IVF, we can select the babies for implanting. Soon, we will be able to select the genetic profile, at first, only sex, later other easily spotted genes. So is it ethical to implant only males? How about no bald people?

I am sorry to invoke Godwin's Law, but IVF leads to eugenics. Eugenics is genetic selection of human beings, where people are bred for certain traits like cattle. This is the philosophy of Sanger, and Hitler. Sanger thought the poor should not breed, so the poor genes would fade, and Hitler thought only Aryans should, and must, breed. He had camps of women who were ready to be impregnated by SS troops to further the Aryan race. Would he had used IVF? He already outlawed abortion there, but only for Aryans, he continued the practice for other 'races'.

Now we can select the babies we implant and discard the rest. It isn't the failure to thrive that causes the death, it is a willful act on the part of a human, on who shall live and die in the petri dish.

[johnb2004]

"That doesn't make either of us right or wrong per se in an objective sense"

Excuse me, but that is rubbish. You are admitting you are a moral relativist. So, anything goes. Your standard for determining the rightness of an action is arbitrary. You have decided to make yourself the final authority. That false belief is what leads to what we have today, moral chaos.

[johnb2004]

"there are millions of miscarriages each year. Should we pass a moratorium on sex?"

You equate a natural process with the intentional murdering of innocent life? Surely, you can see a distinct difference? Intention is important in determining the correctness in any act. The intention of a married couple to have a child in a licit manner is not equal to someone who intentionally allows innocent life to be taken.

[ThomasMore]

Is a day-old embryo a human baby or not?

A human egg in a petri dish is just that.

An egg and an embryo are very different. We are not talking about eggs here. We are talking about fertilized eggs.

[redgolum]

What I don't get is the disconnect that many people seem to have. Once an egg is fertilized, the new cell has a different DNA structure, and is a separate person. People saying it on has the potential to be a person beg the question, when is that potential realized? At birth? Age 18? Age 18 till whenever they are no longer able to "contribute" to society?

When human life is handled as a commodity, we as a society have turned from God and embraced evil.

[Sir_Ed]

I cannot understand how people blithely dismiss the killing of all those unborn children.

Fertilized eggs, embryos, zygotes, unborn babies, whatever you choose to call them, are LIFE, human beings, and these people who associate their destruction with menstruation are willfully ignoring the facts.

It's like the birth control pill and IUD, they cause the destruction of a fertilized egg which, left undestroyed, would grow to an unborn baby and then a born human being, yet some Pro-Lifers see nothing wrong with the pill or Norplant.

Ed

[incindiary]

Ok, forgive me for my lack of knowledge on this, but... I have some questions for people who know about IVF.

I was under the impression that the fertlized eggs (pre-embryos) that were normal/healthy were the ones either implanted into the mother or saved for future use...not discarded. It makes no sense that they would just throw out ones that were 'good'. I do know that sometimes they implant more than one fertilized egg into the woman, but sometimes they don't survive, or only one will. In that case that isn't quite the same thing as deliberately killing a few fertilized eggs, if the mother was hoping that they would take and grow. But if I'm wrong about this, correct me.

[supercat]

She had over 140 of them, one of them made it, the others were killed.

Where does that 140 number come from? My understanding is that the normal practice is to extract a number of eggs, fertilize them, freeze them, and then implant them about 3 at a time. More eggs are not taken and fertilized until all of the first batch are used up.

Further, if a technician takes an egg from a petri dish and attempts to implant it, but fails, how is that any different from a woman having an egg fertilized in utero and having that fail to implant? I'm just conjecturing here, but I would guess that if Ms. Shields and her husband were trying dilligently to have a baby the 'natural' way, her body was probably dumping about one fertilized egg a month. Should people with such problems be condemned for trying?

[MHGinTN]

Sadly, moral principles are no longer traced back to the Creator of Life, but are to be manipulated in a transactional way, to be framed to suit the desires of the humans defining the moral principles. Abortion is the willful killing of an alive other individual human being who is on life support (and in thousands of cases each year, able to live amongst us without the uterus of his or her mother, but killed anyway because the democrats defend tirelessly 'a woman's right to hire a serial killer'). Exploiting embryo-aged human beings and snuffing out the life in those embryos just to obtain one or two successful implantations is also willful killing. And the dissection of alive embryo-aged humans in order to get at their body parts for experimentation is also willful killing of alive other humans, just very young humans. With the current course the liberal pukes have installed in this nation, the democrat party will have many Pubbie partners in pushing US down the clone and kill road, as if killing the very young willfully is enlightened if the killing is goal oriented. It's disgusting but it is the legacy of the democrat party, or what the democrap party has become! Zell Miller wouldn't disagree and R. Reagan said the party left his conservative values, it was not he who left the party. Clinton and his liberal lying minions have thoroughly corrupted this nation and we may not recover from them.

[Coleus]

Once they are frozen for a period of time they become no good to use and will be used to harvest the baby for parts in embryonic stem cell research. In England they are incinerated after three years, it's another Holocaust.

[Grey Ghost II]

Using the troubled logic above male masturbation would be equivalent to genocide.

No it would be the equivalent to mounting a sheep.

[Coleus]

Should people with such problems be condemned for trying?  >>>

 

If they are Catholic Yes, If we intend to be a pro-life nation, YES. That's why we have adoption.

I was told at the conference that as many as 20 eggs each time are fertilized.  Most websites/clinics do not go into the issue as to how many eggs are fertilized. 

 

And what they are doing now is taking oocytes out of the ovaries from ABORTED GIRLS!!

 

Here in this article  the bishop uses the ratio of 24 (total embryos):1 (baby being born) Only God knows the total number of his Children Murdered.

 

There are an average of 24 embryos destroyed or frozen in order for one IVF baby to be born. The moral principle violated by this procedure is the most fundamental of all moral tenets: one can never do an evil in order that good may come of it. Here, the sacrifice of the 24 babies in order to get one or two to grow into healthy children is so wrong that it overrides the infertile couple's right to have a child. The couple I met was aware of that moral principle and could not in conscience participate in such an act.

[Grey Ghost II]

GET REAL. She was trying to HAVE A baby ,,,

So, it's ok to kills babies as long as it's not called abortion?

[MHGinTN]

Not to pick at nits, but you used a term that has been thoroughly disvcredited for sceintific reasons: "I was under the impression that the fertlized eggs (pre-embryos) ..."

Before there is an embryo, there are gametes of the man and woman. The first cell division following conception is the proof that a new individual human life (if the gametes are human sex cells) is expressing his or her self direction and this is an individual at earliest embryo age, not a fertilized egg. The term 'pre-embryo' was created to confuse issues, to try and create an ambiguity regarding the newly expressing human individual, to allow the manipulators of these very young human beings to exploit their LIFE for experimentation and profit. Please stop using that false term when referring to human embryos, human concepti.