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"It's common knowledge that the whole idea of Leif Erikson reaching North America before Columbus is thin gruel."

uh, no.

L'Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site of Canada
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/nl/meadows/index_e.asp

"The reconstructions of three Norse buildings are the focal point of this archaeological site..."

Fomenko starts out with the belief that all history is Byzantine / Russian; any artifact (such as the Roman imperial road system, Hadrian's Wall in Britain, coins, the topic I've linked below) has to be either coopted into this hijacking of history, or rejected as not proved, or something more recent that has been misinterpreted by everyone before Fomenko. References to Jesus in Josephus and the Koran, or in fact any kind of surviving writing from the ancient world has to be either placed in more recent times (by Fomenko) or tossed as a forgery.

I've got some pretty wild interests myself, and love to plunge over the edge of the fringe from time to time. But I think you'll see what I mean as you read it. Here's a topic related to Roman rule in Europe.

Bernheze Roman Bronze Hoard from the Netherlands
Minerva: the International Review of Ancient Art and Archaeology
Last Updated: Friday, 9 July, 2004 at 3:10:29pm | Ruurd B. Halbertsma
Posted on 03/23/2005 11:56:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1369464/posts


111 posted on 03/30/2005 10:14:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv
L'Anse aux Meadows National Historic Site of Canada http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/nl/meadows/index_e.asp

"The reconstructions of three Norse buildings are the focal point of this archaeological site..."

I'm not impressed by reconstructions. I went to the site you suggested and found nothing there.

I'm reading more and I have come to AF's trouble with Hebrew texts which consist only of consonants. (This is mostly true but there a couple of "silent" letters which imply some vowel; and the oo and the oh are frequently represented.) He (or the translator) foolishly makes analogies to English where BLD could be blood, build, etc., but does not describe where in Hebrew, which has many fewer words than English, this could lead to significant ambiguities. I sometimes agonize over translations but I don't ever recall it being because one word in the Torah could be construed as some other. Also AF makes it seem as if this non-use of vowels is some ancient artifact when in fact most publications in Israel today do not use vowels (e.g. see http://www.haaretz.co.il/).

But that said, his placement of the cities of the Bible in Italy is at least interesting. (Yes, I know there are problems.) I would note that Mel Gibson choose Italy as the place where he filmed most of the Judean scenes in his Passion.

The notion that a lot of the "ancient" manuscripts are frauds interests me. I see the recent "discovery" of the James Ossuary as typical of what would have passed for truth 500 years ago. The bias is that so long as it fits in with the accepted history it must merit strong consideration, and bring credit to the "discoverers."

I do believe, as does most everyone else, that the reference to Jesus in Josephus is an insertion by transmitters. But if AF is going to argue that the references to Jesus in the Koran are insertions, then I think I am going to have a big problem with that.

I'm continuing to read. Thanks for the discussion.

ML/NJ

112 posted on 03/31/2005 5:57:57 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: SunkenCiv
I've got some pretty wild interests myself, and love to plunge over the edge of the fringe from time to time.

Dude, Plunging over the edge can be fun sometimes. Years ago, before the internet was nearly as big as it is now, I used to get an email newsletter called "Conspiracy For The Day". Sometimes it was a really H00T! Sometimes, it made you go, "hmmmm", and file the information away for future reference.

174 posted on 01/07/2009 7:37:33 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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