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To: Spyder
Your post is well written and well thought out instead of the usual "baby-killer" epithets thrown at Arnold supporters.

Huhh?? oh... thanks... it is hard and I am ratcheting back a few notches here ;-) Now those other guys and gals are not really bad people and Arnold-haters, I think, so much as upset at a long string of similar betrayals by state party leaders. I don't seem to be able to influence either side here to cool the rhetoric and actually engage in rational debate... the situation is truly out of almost any one person's control... I sincerely hope Tom and Arnold can work out a deal and tag-team an attack on Bustamante and Boxer (the real political enemies). Both seem to have their strong points, and together they would (gasp!) complement each other and lay waste their opponents. Just IMHO.

We aren't naive to California politics, my husband having grown up there and lived there till he was 30. I came of age there and voted in my first election there. Our daughter plans on attending Cal Poly, so we definitely have an interest in how the state is run.

All of our fates are connected in some way, I would absolutely agree. BTW we checked out SLO for our kid this past summer, as well as several other campuses. SLO was extremely impressive over almost all the alternatives we saw. As you may be aware, the entry standards are high and certain programs are "impacted". Things are tough all around in the state... good luck to your kid.

I just hate to see Republicans divide themselves purely over a single issue, however, and that is truly what the division boils down to. Arnold may be opportunistic, but he's the only one that has a prayer of defeating Bustamante/Davis.

A lot of Arnold supporters are saying that, and the controversy won't diminish, it seems. Taking the optimistic view (for a change), at least Arnold does not seem like the AntiChrist or something, the type apt to sell his soul for a few votes or $$$ like Davis or Busta. That's a weak point in his favor.

The far right prevented our having a Republican governor in Hawaii 5 years ago when the Democrats ran a rumor that Lingle was gay just before the election. Fortunately she hung in there until the next election, and we now have more balance at the state level.

Interesting, my only (and uninformed) impression of Hawaii is that it would seem to be the type of place where liberals might hang out and infest state elected offices. (Regardless of the military base presence there, it would seem.) Glad to hear they made some progress and things are not as dire as one would ordinarily expect. The pendulum swings...

Trust me, it is much better to have a Republican, no matter their views on abortion, than a state run by Democrats at all levels. We're actually seeing progress being made in rooting out the corruption here. Would that California would realize the same thing.

Good input, and thanks. We truly need heaven's help since we certainly don't seem to be able to help ourselves too well here at the moment ;-) Thanks for taking the time to reply in a calm manner...

I wonder if a lot of this stuff would have been avoided simply by having some kind of primary arranged by party leaders early on to permit everyone the luxury of not having to attack each other with the verbal tomahawks. I don't know why it was not done at the time, perhaps it was not practical for some situational reason. Anyway, water over the bridge... back to the verbal slug-fest... sigh... ;-)

419 posted on 09/15/2003 4:06:42 PM PDT by SteveH ((Can't we all just GET ALONG!?! ;-))
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To: SteveH
All of our fates are connected in some way, I would absolutely agree. BTW we checked out SLO for our kid this past summer, as well as several other campuses. SLO was extremely impressive over almost all the alternatives we saw. As you may be aware, the entry standards are high and certain programs are "impacted". Things are tough all around in the state... good luck to your kid.

So is your kid going to SLO? Ours plans to apply for early consideration. Her SAT scores were pretty good at 1390 and she wants to try once more for a 1500. She's headed for valedictorian with her grades though it's neck and neck. They don't consider class rank anyway, just GPA, so she's safe there. She wants architecture and took a 3-week immersion program at USC this past summer, so I think her chances are pretty good.

Interesting, my only (and uninformed) impression of Hawaii is that it would seem to be the type of place where liberals might hang out and infest state elected offices. (Regardless of the military base presence there, it would seem.)

Ah yes, but our military presence (ourselves included) don't vote here because of high taxes. We vote in Texas, Florida, and Alaska if we've ever been stationed there. We plan on retiring here though, so we'll be in the voting pool soon enough. It is very liberal, but the relatively conservative populace despite their voting habits is beginning to smell the corruption emanating from 50 years of Democrat rule.

I wonder if a lot of this stuff would have been avoided simply by having some kind of primary arranged by party leaders early on to permit everyone the luxury of not having to attack each other with the verbal tomahawks. I don't know why it was not done at the time, perhaps it was not practical for some situational reason. Anyway, water over the bridge... back to the verbal slug-fest... sigh... ;-)

Don't think that would be legal the way the wording of the recall happens. Even if there were an unofficial one there wouldn't have been any provision to keep anyone else from jumping in. A lot of Republicans have written off California as hopeless, mostly because of the primary process. The CA Republicans seem to be in the same mold as Howard Dean supporters - throw themselves behind a candidate that won't appeal to the majority of independent voters.

424 posted on 09/15/2003 4:38:33 PM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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