"TOM McSELFISH = Gov. BustaMENCHA"

9/14/2003 | ALOHA RONNIE Guyer

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET

.."TOM McSELFISH =

...Gov. BustaMENCHA"

........was THE Sign to behold at this weekend's California Republican Convention held in Playa Del Rey next to the Los Angeles International Airport. So I did.

...No Convention Endorsement came for California Governor, but a posted Convention Straw Poll showed ARNOLD with nearly ..80%.. of the votes verses a little over ..18%.. for TOM McCLINTOCK.

...No one backed down this weekend, though it was hoped one Candidate for California Governor would, with Recall Election Financier Congressman ISSA watching it all unfold right before his very eyes.

Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Republican Convention Witness

NEVER FORGET

[68 grunt]

Logic dictates that conservatives do not support Arnold. Zealotry for a political party or celeberity worship are the only things that would dictate supporting Arnold.

No one will vote for the cross-eyed one. He is easily ridiculed and laughed at. Even were Arnie to withdraw, and seriously beg his fans to support Mcx-i's, Mcx-i's would lose badly. The only question then would be greyout or bustamecha. Do you understand?

[68 grunt]

Your definition of conservative is rejected in California. Arnie's definition will unite the state. A united state can accomplish anything. I appreciate your Alaskan point of view, but you don't know jack about California today!

[brownie]

Wow, 68 grunt, you really, really know how to debate. Let's see, I lived in CA up to 3 years ago. My sister still lives in CA. I have watched CA politics for years.

Now, on to your actual arguments. Oh yeah, like all other Arniebots, you can't be bothered to make any, b/c you can't. Arnold will be a disaster for conservatives in CA and throughout the country (as he will drag the party left of the Rats). Moreover, his simpleton catchphrases will not help CA. After he raises taxes, increases spending, and increases regulations, all of which you can see he will do if you analyze his statements, positions, and the people he surrounds himself with, CA will be as bad, if not worse off, as under Davis.

But, keep being blinded by Celebrity and making nonesense arguments. It really makes your point.

[68 grunt]

VOTE REPUBLICAN RENAISSANCE - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[68 grunt]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think of you as a zealot, and not a disruptor. Your speculations, generalizations, characterizations and misrepresentations have been refuted and responded to countless times. I've lost patience, and if you keep coming back to these threads I will keep presenting my point of view, which is more astute than yours, primarily because I live in the belly of the beast and I know reality. Not 1% of democrats will vote for McSelfish. Arnie might get a quarter of their base. Anyway, I like Arnold, he's my type of Man - not a silly shrill wonk.

SCWARZENEGGER - A GOVERNOR TO BE PROUD OF

[brownie]

Living somewhere does not make one's point of view better. Once in awhile I would like to see at least ONE SINGLE fact used to back up your point of view.

You can keep calling me names, as all arniebots do to conservatives, but it does not change the facts or the analysis.

Frankly, I'm getting to the point that I almost hope you elect Arnie, so I can laugh at you when he raises taxes [again, show me any proof he will not. I have cited my proof that he will - i.e. he is running the same scam that his "mentor" pete wilson did, saying he will only raise taxes in an emergency, then declare a fiscal emergency and raise taxes).

The rest, I'm tired of pointing out. The truth is, that I could care less about McClintock. I just don't think the GOP should support a candidate that is so clearly liberal. What good does it do if you win, but your opponents' positions get advanced? No one has been able to explain that to me. Expanding the GOP in CA by making the GOP liberal is not a victory, unless of course, you are liberal.

B/c someone does not support Arnold does not make that person a zealot (nice that arniebots have taken to using dem tactics of calling conservatives zealots, etc. , next you will be calling me racist, homophobic, etc. - way to grow with your new leader). Conservatives can be flexible. But, compromise involves give and take. Arnold has given conservatives abosolutely nothing. He has even gone out of his way to oppose conservative ideas and insult conservatives. Why then should any conservative vote for him.

As to McClintock not being able to win, that may be true. The only reason for that in a recall election is because there is a significan portion of the GOP, including most arniebots here on FR it appears, who would never support a conservative candidate. If 1/2 of the people who claim to like McClintock over Arnold, but say McClintock cannot win would support McClintock, he would be leading Arnold in the polls, and possibly even Bustamante. Don't forget, this is not a regular election and the winner will probably only win with around 30% of the vote. So, your argument is really that YOU would never vote for a conservative. Which is fine, but don't pretend to be holier than thou to people who will not support Arnold based on his policies. To some people, winning is only good if you advance your cause. Even if you advance your cause only a little. Unfortunately, Arnold does not advance the conservative cause, even a little.

If he does, cite me something so I can at least argue with facts instead responding to your rants.

[brownie]

And, Grunt 68, none of the facts I have presented, nor the analysis I have made from those facts, has ever been refuted. If it were, by real facts, I would admit I was wrong. If you can point to one refutation of my analysis, do so. There is a challenge from me, to you.

[68 grunt]

I don't believe I called you any names at all, yet. You have, repeatedly. Here is a fact, twenty-something year oldsters point at McC on the news and laugh, and say who is that bozo. I say, 'well, that's Tom McClintock, and he's the best candidate for governor.' And they say they never heard of him, and I ask if they will vote for Schwarzenegger and they say yes and then I ask if Arnie drops out will they vote for Tom and they say 'who' again. You can't convince people to vote for someone they laugh at, it is impossible.

VOTE TO UNIFY CALIFORNIA - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[brownie]

Frankly, I'm begining to believe the Arnold campaign is a conspiracy by liberals to make the GOP another liberal party, so that there is less resistance to socialism and socialism can be implemented sooner in the U.S.

After all, it couldn't be working better for them if it was a conspiracy. The CA GOP has abandoned any pretense of conservatism in its search for victory.

[brownie]

68 Grunt,

It does not make you ashamed, that you cannot even argue for your candidate? I'm asking this seriously, not as a joke. I find it pathetic that you are beaten so easily, that you won't even argue. Yet, despite that, you continue to hold the same belief in Arnold.

I just don't understand. Once again, another arniebot, rather than arguing, or debating Arnold's positions and whether or not Arnold is good for the GOP or CA, simply quits (after, of course, calling me names).

Why do you bother posting on FR?

[brownie]

calling me a "zealot" isn't a name?

So, you base your voting decision on the fact that 20 year olds don't know anything about politics but can recognize a movie star?

That explains alot.

[68 grunt]

Zealot? Heck no, haven't you read the Bible?

[68 grunt]

It does not make you ashamed

Nope, I'm proud of my man. Doesn't it make you ashamed to be such a hypocrite as to acknowledge that you frivolous questions have been answered many, many times, Countless times, only to be ridiculed and baselessly dismissed. I still haven't called you any names, as you have me, but it is getting closer.FREEPERS FOR SCWARZENEGGER TO SAVE CALIFORNIA

[exmarine]

I notice that you need to mention Arbold's accent. Interesting. I guess that puts you on a par with Davis, himself.

Since I and Arnold both are white Euros, I can hardly be called a racist for mentioning his accent. Hating white people is politically correct in our culture anyway.

Let's be clear - your views are closer to Davis than mine. You support a liberal, I don't. You support gun control, I don't. You support racial info, I don't. I want the govt. OUT of my life. I am a self-governing individual as our founders intended that I should be. I don't need Big Brother controlling my every move.

[SONbrad]

For your information, I am a black man adopted as a baby by a white family. Back when people like YOU were saying it was immoral and a sin for a white family to adopt a black baby! Just like you bible-thumpers are doing to gay people today!

By the way, do you or don't you believe that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL? mmmmmmm?

It is people like you who keep black conservatives away from the republican party!

[Maelstrom]

There's no reason to address the grunting one.

He isn't even here to support Arnold, unlike some of the other posters.

[Maelstrom]

Having dark skin consists of naturally having higher levels of pigmentation within your skin.

It has nothing to do with anything.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, is a mental disorder. It's only considered otherwise due to politics. There is no reason nor any purpose to create a priviledged class out of people suffering from a mental disorder.

Doing so, weakens the fabric of any nation.

[exmarine]

For your information, I am a black man adopted as a baby by a white family. Back when people like YOU were saying it was immoral and a sin for a white family to adopt a black baby! Just like you bible-thumpers are doing to gay people today!

ahhhh....now the ugly truth comes out - "BIBLE THUMPER" - this is proof positive that you are a card-carrying liberal relativist. You are one of those wannabe Christians - the ones who claim the name but reject biblical authority. Your authority for living is your own sense of right and wrong, as evidenced by your ridicule of voting on moral principle. You are one of those wannabe Christians - the ones who claim the name but reject biblical authority.

By the way, nothing I have said indicates that I am racist. I'm certainly not, but I don't care what you think. Your opinion is skewed by your lack of a moral compass.

As far as your adoption goes, Good for you! I don't really give a flip what color your skin is - you are the one who favors racial quotas - not me.

[exmarine]

68grunt is a troll whose only purpose is to provoke. It is pointless to even respond to that person.