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To: RightWingNilla
It isn't? So it is a coincidence that many individual DNA sequences confirm that humans are much more closely related to chimps than to mice? That catfish are much closer to sharks than earthworms? Any serious and consistent discrepancy here would falsify the theory, which is why I brought it up in the first place.

It is not a coincidence. However, the whole discussion is on how the relationships occur, not that they occur. Neither the TOE, nor ID, nor "the aliens dumped a zoo into the ocean" are stated in any way that I can see that would permit one to verify one over the other. Any serious and consistent discrepancy here could be construed to falsify all of those 3 hypotheses. But since that is not the evidence, none of them have been falsified.

1,934 posted on 08/08/2003 2:24:23 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: dark_lord
Neither the TOE, nor ID, nor "the aliens dumped a zoo into the ocean" are stated in any way that I can see that would permit one to verify one over the other.

TOE says random mutations are the cause of diversity - and guess what you see when you look closely at the genomic structure of organisms? A jumbled, jury rigged mess that seems to work despite its woefully inefficient "design". IOW it looks like the culmination of a whole bunch of random events at the DNA level- unequal crossovers, duplications, substitutions, retrotranspositions, pseudogenes etc.

Now thats good enough for TOE. The observations fit the theory perfectly here. Can I completely rule out the possibility of an incompetent designer? I guess not. I would just rather not believe in such a thing.

1,937 posted on 08/08/2003 2:33:30 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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