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Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolution
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Posted on 07/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: RadioAstronomer
Whooooooooohoooooooo! Two threads in one day! LOL
To: RadioAstronomer; RightWingNilla
And fitting I posted on 2001 since I am discussing "2001"! LOL
To: RadioAstronomer
Did you find a monolith there? :-)
To: RightWingNilla
Did you find a monolith there? :-)Dang! I wish! I could use an intelligence boost! LOLOLOL
To: VadeRetro
Why, you gol'durn ... [Looks at calendar] ... Never mind! [Grumble, grumble!]Neither was it you.
To: RadioAstronomer; Alamo-Girl; Nakatu X
Why don't we just drop this here.I certainly would like to drop it, that's why I asked him to apologize for his statements and that's what I would prefer he would do. I am not interested in discussing personalities and I am as eager as all for a new start and letting bygones be bygones. However, we cannot allow someone who has signed on to the agreement to say, I recant it while I get one more insult out and then I will go back to complying. Further, and aside from anything else mentioned, it was totally wrong of him to try to apply an agreement's clauses to what had happened before the agreement.
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posted on
08/09/2003 12:17:08 PM PDT
by
gore3000
(Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
To: gore3000; Nakatu X
Further, and aside from anything else mentioned, it was totally wrong of him to try to apply an agreement's clauses to what had happened before the agreement. I took NX's post as a set of suggestions for what will be necessary for peace in the future. (PS: Nakatu is female.)
To: VadeRetro; gore3000; Nakatu X; Alamo-Girl; RightWingNilla
I took NX's post as a set of suggestions for what will be necessary for peace in the future.
As did I! I hope Gore does not keep pushing. It will not serve him in the least.
I was quite impressed by Nakatu X's post. It was very succinct, to the point, and not degrading. (even to Gore3000)
To: Alamo-Girl
It's a Cowsills ad for milk back from 1969 (notice my post # too!).
It portrays one big happy family...
To: RadioAstronomer
succinct, to the point, and not degrading Placemarker
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posted on
08/09/2003 12:42:44 PM PDT
by
Aric2000
(If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
To: gore3000; RadioAstronomer; VadeRetro; Nakatu X
I recant it while I get one more insult out and then I will go back to complying. Gore3000, go back and read what she wrote carefully. Nakatu is not insulting you. The slate is clean; just for future reference it is ok to admit when mistakes are made. That in essence was all she was saying.
To: NewLand
Just Enjoying Science Under Scrutiny ... placemaker
To: Nakatu X
Isn't there an old saying about "No good deed ..." Well, whatcha gonna do?
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posted on
08/09/2003 12:46:40 PM PDT
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PatrickHenry
(Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
To: RadioAstronomer
And fitting I posted on 2001 since I am discussing "2001"! Ah, life's simple pleasures.
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posted on
08/09/2003 12:49:12 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
To: PatrickHenry
Ah, life's simple pleasuresIndeed! :-)
To: ALS
God does not embrace Marxism, evolution does.Pursuant to §8, please include your evidence in your accusatory posts.
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posted on
08/09/2003 1:27:38 PM PDT
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jennyp
(Science thread posters: I've signed The Agreement. Have you?)
To: jennyp
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posted on
08/09/2003 1:35:17 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
To: RightWingNilla
You are jumping all over the place here. Remember you stated earlier that the evidence is no better for natural law than for "elves". My response was that the observations are in fact in strong agreement with natural law (mutations). At the very least the evidence favors something "unintelligent" doing the design work. Now you asking how these mutations increase fitness (a seperate question entirely). In plenty of cases it is known why an apparent mutation (i.e. a difference between chimps and man) would be advantageous. In other cases it is not so clear. Nonetheless, there is strong evidence in favor of random mutation.If I understand your response, it can be boiled down to this:
(1) TOE is dependent upon "natural law" for the cause.
(2) Natural law in this context can be defined to be mutations.
(3) Ergo, mutation drives TOE.
But where is the evidence for this? Since almost all mutations cause negative effects, where is the demonstrated "increased fitness"? Remember, "fitness" is defined as: increased number of offspring, or greater survival ability of offspring, or both. (That's not my definition, that's the accepted definition of fitness which arose, I think, to counter the tautology problem of the "Survival of the Fittest" phrase.)
You are begging the question when you assert: "...it is known why an apparent mutation (i.e. a difference between chimps and man) would be advantageous" since you have not demonstrated that those differences are in fact due to mutation as the causative factor. Your argument here boils down to:
(A) Mutation causes genetic change.
(B) We see differences between similar species.
(C) Therefore, these differences have been caused by mutation.
Again, this is reasoning "by induction". Which is weak. Yes, there is evidence of mutation. But evidence that mutation works to produce "fitter" critters is lacking, I assert. And the whole TOE hangs upon this one point.
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posted on
08/09/2003 1:39:16 PM PDT
by
dark_lord
(The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
To: jennyp
And right here on this page we have direct evidence!
Here we find an evo arguing in favor of "Survival of the fittest".
The very thing which binds Marxism, Hitler, etc., to evolution!
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posted on
08/09/2003 1:45:20 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
To: RadioAstronomer; VadeRetro; RightWingNilla; Nakatu X; Alamo-Girl
I was quite impressed by Nakatu X's post. It was very succinct, to the point, and not degrading. (even to Gore3000)If she had used you as an example in the same way, you would not be saying the above.
I note that she did not treat anyone from the evolutuionist side as an example of what should not be done, so her statement was definitely not fair.
Seems to me also, that you should be asking her to call her post a mistake (preferably by Freepmail - as the posts made by the three of you should have been addressed) instead of excusing it. Civility goes two ways, not one.
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posted on
08/09/2003 2:09:01 PM PDT
by
gore3000
(Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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