Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolution

Original scene from the show... Friends. ^ | NA | NA

[Mr.Atos]

I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...

Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!

Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.

Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.

Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.

Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!

Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?

Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!

Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!

Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?

Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?

[Mr.Atos]

The other great debate was from the movie Contact.

[balrog666]

medved? Are you sure? What did he say about Saturn?

[Mr.Atos]

I think the more important question would be, what would Pheobe say about Saturn?

[jlogajan]

What did Pheobe say about Uranus?

[ALS]

Evo agenda exposed On-Air *ping*

[jlogajan]

I was just lisening to Medved

Did he get into his theory on how Venus blew out of Mars, came and bounced off the earth, and then took up the most perfectly circular orbit of all the planets -- all about 3000 years ago?

[Republican Red]

I think the funniest "Friends" lines were:

Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? Because if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point.
Rachel: Huh. A moo point?
Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.

Few days later I was listening to CNN's televising of the audio portion of the Suprem Court battle between Bush and Gore. The scrolling script was generated by computer and many words were unrecognizable. However, I knew we had the case won when scrolling across the screen was that one of the Supreme Court Judges says to Boies that his point was "moo". I don't think I ever laughed so hard.

[ALS]

Who said this?

"What a bunch of liars. "Liars for Christ", I call 'em."

[narby]

Medved is a creationist?

Darn. I had great respect for him.

[tophat9000]

Creationism vs Evolution

The debate boils down to is "origin of cause"

In looking at this if you go back to the start, taken logicaly evolution must assume there is no origin of cause... the universe started from a spontaneous effect

Eternal cause vs Spontaneous effect

I find belief in spontaneous effect more supernatural & illogical then belief in a eternal cause

[Mr.Atos]

Evo agenda exposed On-Air

Oh... don't ass-u-me the observation to be a conclusion.

...nor an agenda.

[ALS]

"his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?"

seems pretty plain to the honest observer

same agenda takes place on this forum

[Mr.Atos]

The topic is a honest and healthy subject for debate as it differentiates two entirely different concepts of man's origin and all subsequent philosophies concerning his existence and the relevance of same. But it is important that the topic be discussed respectfully among thoughtful individuals. As with Ross, in the afforementioned example, his condescending rationality back-fired on him making him look like an ass.

[RightWhale]

In looking at this if you go back to the start, taken logicaly evolution must assume there is no origin of cause...

Logically speaking, there was no logic then. Not as we understand logic. Logic was invented a few years back, Plato, Aristotle, that kind of thing. Origin - we can make up words, ideas, concepts, but that doesn't imply a corresponding object: space-time is not Cartesian, not a graph, lacks axes, and lacks an origin. Origin of cause-effect: how long has this non-existent thing been sitting over in the corner next to the Home Entertainment Center?

[ALS]

A real shame the the still evolving crowd can't see that.

[Steely Tom]

If I'm not mistaken, Lisa Kudrow has an undergraduate degree in biology.

(steely)

[Cacophonous]

I think you watch too much television

[RoughDobermann]

Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolotion

I don't care what she thinks, I agree with her...

[EBITDA]

I don't think this is the Phoebe from the thread, but thanks anyway.

By the way, what exactlly does 'ese' mean. A literal translation?

[Mr.Atos]

Yeas I know. Its a hugh prob'em, and i am seeking series hep with it.