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To: Southack
For another, if gun owners are so politically powerless that they can't stop the House or Senate from passing this bill, then our gun rights are already lost and the entire game is long since over.

Applying my cheating wife analogy:

"For another, if the husband is so powerless that he can't stop the his wife from leaving the house, then he has already lost and the entire game is long since over."

I agree, and it explains why so many here threaten to not vote for him in 2004 for this bad policy/promise. I won't stand idly by if my spouse were to break, or promise to break, our Wedding Vows, and I won't stand idly by and vote for a man who promises to break his Oath to support and defend the Constitution, the one function of the Office that means the most to me. Cite all the political gamesmanship you want, I'm not buying the idea that one man's political future is worth more damage to that already-tattered Founding Document. (Gee, wasn't that Clinton's forte? Political genius coupled with a callous disregard for the Constitution?? We screamed bloody murder when he did it, but applaud when GWB does it?!? Sorry, I just can't hold on to that kind of hypocrisy after I see it for what it is.)

228 posted on 05/10/2003 5:15:18 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
I agree, and it explains why so many here threaten to not vote for him in 2004 for this bad policy/promise. I won't stand idly by if my spouse were to break, or promise to break, our Wedding Vows, and I won't stand idly by and vote for a man who promises to break his Oath to support and defend the Constitution, the one function of the Office that means the most to me. Cite all the political gamesmanship you want, I'm not buying the idea that one man's political future is worth more damage to that already-tattered Founding Document. (Gee, wasn't that Clinton's forte? Political genius coupled with a callous disregard for the Constitution?? We screamed bloody murder when he did it, but applaud when GWB does it?!? Sorry, I just can't hold on to that kind of hypocrisy after I see it for what it is.)

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Well said. VERY well said. Here, here!

233 posted on 05/10/2003 8:35:28 AM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: Teacher317; RJayneJ
While I understand your passion, I don't see your logic.

You want to engage in actions that place Democrats like Hillary into the Presidency, over issues that shouldn't even reach the Presidential level.

Bush told everyone where he stood in regards to Campaign Finance and the Assault Weapons Ban, long before he was elected.

We all had plenty of time to judge, in sum, Bush's positions versus Gore's. By the tiniest of margins, our great nation chose Bush over Gore, but now you want to fault Bush for keeping his campaign promises on two issues that you've disagreed with him on from day one, as if this is some new development and some sort of reversal of Bush's positions.

Well, it isn't a betrayal or reversal. Bush has been consistent all along. Faulting him for keeping his campaign promises is absurd, too. The strategy that has been available to us all along in regards to defeating CFR and the AW Ban has been for us to win in Congress, because we all KNEW from long ago where Bush stood if those issues reached his desk.

Now granted, for the "one issue" voters out there, it doesn't matter if Bush keeps campaign promises so much as it matters to them that Bush be on their side on their one overriding, all important issue. And for the 3rd Party types, it doesn't even matter if Bush sides with them on any one all-important issue, as Bush would have to agree with them on each and every issue 100% of the time for them to even consider supporting him. Bush could go their way on one issue and they'd stab him in the back as soon as he didn't go their way on the next one.

Looking for a perfect political Jesus among mere mortals is an easy way to lead a frustrating life. It's also an easy way to lose every battle that you choose to fight.

On the other hand, searching for a leader who can deliver more of your concerns than all of the other leaders is an eminently achievable objective, and it is also a course of action that will deliver far more victories than any other.

Victories such as arming pilots, repealing state-level CCW bans, gaining national immunity for gun manufactures from frivolous lawsuits, killing the International Criminal Court, killing Kyoto Global Warming Accords, killing the U.S. - CCCP ABM treaty, bypassing the UN regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.

But then again, there are those among us who would rather lose all of those fights if it means supporting a politician who isn't 100% perfect.

234 posted on 05/10/2003 9:54:44 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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