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Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Covenant News ^ | April 12, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:29 AM PDT by MatthewViti

During the eight years of Clinton's presidency, I was repeatedly asked, "Chuck, do you think Bill Clinton is the antichrist?" (Of course, I answered no.) Therefore, it is more than interesting to me that since G.W. Bush became president no one has asked if I thought he was the antichrist. Not one single person! Instead, many people attribute to Bush god-like qualities, which actually makes him a better candidate than Clinton was.

You see, one of the chief characteristics of the coming antichrist is that he appears "as an angel of light." Therefore, an obvious reprobate such as Bill Clinton is immediately disqualified. The antichrist, by very definition, is a master deceiver. He must be someone who appears as good and benevolent. The bite is in his tail not in his tongue. In reality, Bush's angelic persona makes him much more dangerous than bad boy Billy.

For example, while Clinton was in the process of appointing numerous homosexual activists to his administration, copious letters from Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and D. James Kennedy flooded America's Christian community. Appeals for protest and resistance were heard from pulpits throughout the country. A massive media campaign began against Clinton.

Today, however, President Bush is in the process of copying Clinton's numerous appointments of open homosexuals to high positions of government, but there are no letters, no warnings from pulpits, and no media campaigns opposing it. Just the opposite. Bush is being defended, lauded, and glorified for everything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or unscriptural it might be.

When Clinton only talked of legalizing embryonic stem cell research, he was castigated and condemned. Bush actually made the procedure legal, and yet, he was praised and honored. Clinton was denigrated when he tried to convince Israel to give up land for peace. Now, Bush is in the process of actually trying to create an independent Palestinian state for Israel's enemies (with Jerusalem as its capital, no less), yet continues to receive glowing adulation. If Clinton even suggested that America's immigration laws might need to be liberalized, he was denounced in the harshest terms; but Bush can actually grant limited amnesty to thousands of illegal aliens, and there is not the faintest whisper of protest.

Do you recall how Clinton was criticized for the "low lifes" he invited to the White House? Well, Bush recently invited wild man rocker, Ozzie Osbourne, to the White House. Have you heard any notable Christian leader take Bush to task for that?

You remember Ozzie Osbourne, don't you? He is the former front man for the heavy metal band, Black Sabbath. He is famous for stage antics such as biting the heads off birds and bats. His abuse of drugs and alcohol are also well known. Furthermore, Ozzie Osbourne desecrated The Alamo by pissing all over it. In spite of this, George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans. As such, Osbourne was recently invited to the White House for dinner. Have you heard any criticism of Bush for this?

Obviously, I do not believe President Bush is the antichrist any more than I believed Bill Clinton was. However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did and, therefore, is more dangerous. I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived. Bush' s acceptance by the overwhelming majority of Christian people proves the country is ready for the antichrist, whoever he is.


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To: wirestripper
I'm sure you're an expert at sticking stuff in pipes, since you refer to it so much.
581 posted on 05/04/2003 3:42:49 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: nanny
Oh....one more point.

LOVE has a myriad of meanings in English. I can love pizza, love reading a good book, love a friend, love my children, love my husband, and love my President, and they all mean different things.

It's subtle, but some day you might think deeply enough to understand this complexity, and not be so confused and offended by the LOVE that so many of us (both male and female) share for our President..............even if we don't agree with his immigration policy.

582 posted on 05/04/2003 3:50:01 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: MatthewViti
Matthew!! You should be proud of yourself!

You posted an inane and irresponsible article, and it has almost 600 posts! Amazing!

583 posted on 05/04/2003 3:51:04 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: nanny
But I just did not see the gushing, adoration for him.

Well, you were never at my house. My Dad gushed as much as it is possible for a grown man with a good head on his shoulders TO gush, and it was the same with a lot of men his age. And I think it was due to *sheer relief* that Carter was gone and somebody decent was in there lowering there damned taxes and telling them they weren't the devil for working hard and earning money and doing the things that men were supposed to do. Sound familiar?

And Bush hasn't achieved Reagan status yet in terms of adoration. Sure, there are some women who gush. So what> Doesn't mean they're going to allow him to lead them into hell.

There's no way to compare then and now though, really, because forums like this did not exist then. Pity, they would have been extremely useful. Possibly we could have avoided Carter. And youknow-who.

584 posted on 05/04/2003 3:51:31 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: ohioWfan
I'm proud :] The article has spawned a lot of interesting ideas in my mind.
585 posted on 05/04/2003 4:11:39 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: MatthewViti
One never knows from whence the font of intellectual creativity will spring forth.

The irrational thoughts of the author of this article have educed much from its readers......some of whom are nearly as irrational as the author himself, but many of whom possess tremendous mental and moral clarity.

586 posted on 05/04/2003 4:24:35 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: MatthewViti
Total blind stupidity.
587 posted on 05/04/2003 4:30:57 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Some of us think the Antichrist will be someone who is born Jewish.

Of course, because we own all the media outlets, banks, etc. Gee....you must be glad Passover is over, you don't have to worry for a whole year about us evil Jooooooooooos trying to kill your kids for their blood to make our matzah with.

588 posted on 05/04/2003 4:31:31 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: nanny
We can overcome the things Clinton did, I think.

Only if we stay on the course we are on, with Bush. Otherwise, we will continue the march towards socialism and the end of America.
Current Democrat presidential contenders, and others, would have us abdicate to the U.N. and the ICC and more. Our schools will continue to teach revisionist history, newspeak and "sexual diversity". The individual be continue to be subjugated to the group, and those who cry most about rights will continue to remove yours, beginning with #1 for the sake of tolerance, and #2 for the sake of control and your "safety".
The war on terror is not the only one being fought, and make no mistake, they are both life or death.
589 posted on 05/04/2003 5:04:54 PM PDT by visualops ("To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." -George Mason)
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To: widowithfoursons
And I could ask you just how many people you know to whom you would want to give absolute power?

None. Dubya is close, though...

590 posted on 05/04/2003 5:13:46 PM PDT by null and void
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To: All
Hey Hillary

It's not the economy, stupid.

It's about the United States of America
and ridding ourselves of SCUM like the Clintons.

Never Forget September 11

591 posted on 05/04/2003 5:26:53 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: visualops
Our schools will continue to teach revisionist history, newspeak and "sexual diversity". The individual be continue to be subjugated to the group, and those who cry most about rights will continue to remove yours, beginning with #1 for the sake of tolerance, and #2 for the sake of control and your "safety". The war on terror is not the only one being fought, and make no mistake, they are both life or death.

No doubt about it with the Democrats - but what is being done about revisionist history, newspeak (?)m and sexual diversity. I haven't seen anything come out of the WH to combat those things. Not saying there hasn't - just haven't seen it.

For the sake of tolerance - I don't believe I heard 'tolerance' used more times in one short span than I did from the WH and AG office post 9/11 - we are barraged with it daily and threatened if we weren't. AS for giving control for the sake of safety - I see far too much of that from this administration.

The PResident is doing some things about terrorism - some make no sense such as open borders, allowing more and more ME men into this country. In fact, Powell told a group of ME people that we were going to bring more and more in and educate them so they would love us. Forgive me, I just don't see it. I fervently hope you are right and I agree that right now, this is our only hope - but unless something is done about closing the borders, getting the support of the illegals off the backs of the American workers, telling Fox he doesn't run the US and doesn't make laws for us, cutting out the 'skilled labor' (which seems to include much more than just hi tech people, and doing something about our trade policies so Americans can get back to work - nothing will matter.

I realize there are a lot of things going on in this country and a lot of things need attention - but defense should be first - that includes manning the borders. Then cleaning the terrorists out of this country. Some things have been done along those lines - I don't know if it is enough - doesn't seem like it to me - but I admit I am not a very patient person. At the same time, he needs to do something about the economy. Once again, that includes manning the borders, cleaning the illegals out of the country, renegotiating trade deals, telling Mexico to get back to its own country and make it work- we can handle our own. I have seen very little done in these areas, other than the war and some arrests as I said/

We had the border problem when he took office - other than encourage it and push for amnesty - he did nothing. We had a problem with the economy - and other than refuse to do anything about the borders and push for amnesty - . I will give him the tax cut - but soon a tax cut will not 'trickle' down - except south to Mexico and east to China.

592 posted on 05/04/2003 5:47:55 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ohioWfan
You should check out Chuck's latest article :)
593 posted on 05/04/2003 5:53:48 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: hellinahandcart
Well, you were never at my house. My Dad gushed as much as it is possible for a grown man with a good head on his shoulders TO gush, and it was the same with a lot of men his age. And I think it was due to *sheer relief* that Carter was gone and somebody decent was in there lowering there damned taxes and telling them they weren't the devil for working hard and earning money and doing the things that men were supposed to do. Sound familiar?

We were all relieved and jubilant - no gushing. I guess we were raised differently. We were taught politicians were our employees and that to be a good employer, we should keep our eye on them. I have never felt any politician, President on down was worth of adoration, or love (except as a human being, one of God's creations) - perhaps I owe these people an apology - I just thought all conservatives and Republicans were like the ones I knew. Very tough taskmasters and very independent people.

Believe me when I tell you I thought the 'gushing' adoration, love, that was directed at Clinton was just Democratic nonsense. I really thought the Republicans were an aberration - that is amazing.

And Bush hasn't achieved Reagan status yet in terms of adoration. Sure, there are some women who gush. So what> Doesn't mean they're going to allow him to lead them into hell.

But are you sure? How long would it be before some people would begin asking questions? What do you think it would take to make them ask questions?

There's no way to compare then and now though, really, because forums like this did not exist then. Pity, they would have been extremely useful. Possibly we could have avoided Carter. And youknow-who.

Now that is a thought - but you are right, things are different and people are different. Do you think people who post on these forums are different from people who don't post here? I find that I am not that different from other REpublicans, or conservatives, I know. Is it a need to have a 'leader' or some such? I am asking for you thoughts - it isn't meant to be insulting - but I have never felt I needed a 'leader' - I certainly never felt I needed a President to be a leader - I wasn't raised that way.

594 posted on 05/04/2003 5:58:29 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
If the President lacks leadership nothing gets accomplished. Lack of leadership was part of Clinton's problem.

I consider leadership one of the most important attributes of anyone who holds an executive position.

595 posted on 05/04/2003 6:03:31 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: ohioWfan
LOVE has a myriad of meanings in English. I can love pizza, love reading a good book, love a friend, love my children, love my husband, and love my President, and they all mean different things.

Now you are going to lecture me on love - hmmmm? I don't love pizza - I like and enjoy pizza. I don't love reading a good book - I like and enjoy reading a good book. I love a friend - both as a friend and as a human being. I love my children unconditionally and completely in every way. I love my husband unconditionally and completely in every way. I love all mankind - I don't 'love' the President. I truly do not understand that.

It's subtle, but some day you might think deeply enough to understand this complexity, and not be so confused and offended by the LOVE that so many of us (both male and female) share for our President..............even if we don't agree with his immigration policy.

I already think deeply enough and I realize that President Bush is a man, a politician. I love him as a human being - not as a President. I don't understand 'love' for a President. If you know him personally, then love as a friend - but as a President - no I don't understand it. I am, in no way offended by your love for the President - just completely puzzled by it.

But let me say, I am not sure I want to understand the 'complexity' that would allow one human being to say they 'love' a politician they don't know personally. You can like and admire his persona, his actions, his looks, his speech, - but love him - no I don't understand it and I have lived long enough to know love. I just don't use the word lightly.

596 posted on 05/04/2003 6:08:09 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Miss Marple
If the President lacks leadership nothing gets accomplished. Lack of leadership was part of Clinton's problem. I consider leadership one of the most important attributes of anyone who holds an executive position.

Leadership? As in the leader of the government - I agree. But do people need a leader - I am not a follower - I don't understand that. I think it is probably a matter of having different interpretations for words. A leader to me is someone you follow - I don't need that. Do you think we do?

597 posted on 05/04/2003 6:12:25 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
At some point people MUST follow a leader. How in the heck do you think the military operates?

This idea that you are too superior to need a leader is off-putting, you know. I do not pretend to know everything about tax policy, national security, and military strategy. I think a leader is necessary for all of those items, plus more.

And it is very important to have someone in the Oval Office who leads by example, as President Bush does.

A leader is necessary in many areas, and to pretend that superior people don't need one is just plain silly. Do you expect the country to run by committee, or what?

598 posted on 05/04/2003 6:18:52 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: MissAmericanPie
I happen to agree with you.

The ones saying they won't vote for Pres. Bush if he doesn't do something about the borders are constantly told 'you will get a Democrat'. Well, they are probably right - so we vote for Bush. We get more and more illegals. We will get Fox more and more involved in this country's workings. Our schools will be completely broke - our children not even getting the marginal education they are getting now. Many will loose their homes because they can't pay the taxes to keep up these illegals. As hospitals raise the costs to the paying people - our health care premiums will go up and soon more and more will not be able to afford it. Our auto insurance will be so expensive due to the damage by illegals with no insurance, we will not be able to afford insurance and will either cut down to one vehicle - buyer older junkers and carry liability only. We will have to have bars on our doors and windows if we live in an areas where they are very concentrated - because the police are not going to help you. More and more Americans will be out of work due to their influx. Now when we know that is the horror that faces us with President Bush unless he does something substantive and does it quickly - we are supposed to shake in our boots that a Democrat might get elected.

I personally hope TAncredo runs, he will get my vote and what little money I can send. I don't think he has a chance- but he will bring the issue to the public and and both parties will no longer be able to coordinate the silence on this subject.

599 posted on 05/04/2003 6:27:29 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ohioWfan
Regarding Bush being the most Godly president. I don't see how this can be. I truly think Reagan was (as far as recent presidents go).

Last year while worshipping at the Islamic Center of Washington, Bush remarked, "Islam traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates the revelation of God's word in the Holy Koran to the prophet Mohammed." Does Mr. Bush not realize that the Holy Bible, not the Koran, is the one and only written revelation of God to man? Is he that ignorant of Christian teaching? Or, was he deliberately denying Christian doctrine in order to curry favor with his Muslim hosts?

600 posted on 05/04/2003 6:44:14 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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