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Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Covenant News ^ | April 12, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:29 AM PDT by MatthewViti

During the eight years of Clinton's presidency, I was repeatedly asked, "Chuck, do you think Bill Clinton is the antichrist?" (Of course, I answered no.) Therefore, it is more than interesting to me that since G.W. Bush became president no one has asked if I thought he was the antichrist. Not one single person! Instead, many people attribute to Bush god-like qualities, which actually makes him a better candidate than Clinton was.

You see, one of the chief characteristics of the coming antichrist is that he appears "as an angel of light." Therefore, an obvious reprobate such as Bill Clinton is immediately disqualified. The antichrist, by very definition, is a master deceiver. He must be someone who appears as good and benevolent. The bite is in his tail not in his tongue. In reality, Bush's angelic persona makes him much more dangerous than bad boy Billy.

For example, while Clinton was in the process of appointing numerous homosexual activists to his administration, copious letters from Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and D. James Kennedy flooded America's Christian community. Appeals for protest and resistance were heard from pulpits throughout the country. A massive media campaign began against Clinton.

Today, however, President Bush is in the process of copying Clinton's numerous appointments of open homosexuals to high positions of government, but there are no letters, no warnings from pulpits, and no media campaigns opposing it. Just the opposite. Bush is being defended, lauded, and glorified for everything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or unscriptural it might be.

When Clinton only talked of legalizing embryonic stem cell research, he was castigated and condemned. Bush actually made the procedure legal, and yet, he was praised and honored. Clinton was denigrated when he tried to convince Israel to give up land for peace. Now, Bush is in the process of actually trying to create an independent Palestinian state for Israel's enemies (with Jerusalem as its capital, no less), yet continues to receive glowing adulation. If Clinton even suggested that America's immigration laws might need to be liberalized, he was denounced in the harshest terms; but Bush can actually grant limited amnesty to thousands of illegal aliens, and there is not the faintest whisper of protest.

Do you recall how Clinton was criticized for the "low lifes" he invited to the White House? Well, Bush recently invited wild man rocker, Ozzie Osbourne, to the White House. Have you heard any notable Christian leader take Bush to task for that?

You remember Ozzie Osbourne, don't you? He is the former front man for the heavy metal band, Black Sabbath. He is famous for stage antics such as biting the heads off birds and bats. His abuse of drugs and alcohol are also well known. Furthermore, Ozzie Osbourne desecrated The Alamo by pissing all over it. In spite of this, George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans. As such, Osbourne was recently invited to the White House for dinner. Have you heard any criticism of Bush for this?

Obviously, I do not believe President Bush is the antichrist any more than I believed Bill Clinton was. However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did and, therefore, is more dangerous. I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived. Bush' s acceptance by the overwhelming majority of Christian people proves the country is ready for the antichrist, whoever he is.


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To: MatthewViti
No, I do not think that Bush is the antichrist. It's a shame that so many people blew up thinking that was my intention.

LOL! And posting a year old article by a known malcontent with a "buzz" title such as "Is Bush the Antichrist?" should be overlooked.

JMO, you intially threw out the mud and when the mud was thrown back, you get indignant.

Can someone say the addage, "I can throw it out, but can't take it".

301 posted on 05/03/2003 2:30:38 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
The malcontents always play the same game. They throw out mud on FR and when people call them on their throwing mud, they automatically turn themselves into a victim class that would make Al Sharpton blush, IMO.

That's so far removed from the truth that it's laughable. I'm not a malcontent, nor do I throw mud on FR. What I pointed out was the fact that it's wrong to call another freeper names and throw out insults that are devoid of any intelligence. If you want to disagree with someone, you can do so by discussing the content and not declaring someone else a nutcase.

But see it however you like.

MM

302 posted on 05/03/2003 2:33:50 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Dane
It wasn't my intention. I think the article raises a few good points that people seem to forget. Leaders and all people for that matter are capable of mistakes, and we as humans should sometimes question the decisions of those in power.
303 posted on 05/03/2003 2:36:29 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: MississippiMan
What I pointed out was the fact that it's wrong to call another freeper names and throw out insults that are devoid of any intelligence. If you want to disagree with someone, you can do so by discussing the content and not declaring someone else a nutcase

Huh, I guess the inflammatory title of the article just zoomed over your head and that is what caused the controversy.

It doesn't really matter though, IMO. You will always reside in your world of that the mud you initally throw out, should not be thrown back at you.

304 posted on 05/03/2003 2:40:19 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
People can't have a debate on a subject without you shoving words in their mouth and then insulting them?

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” --Albert Einstein

305 posted on 05/03/2003 2:43:34 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: MatthewViti
It wasn't my intention

Yeah right, whatever. You sure were defending vigourosuly earlier in this thread, the false notion that Bush had Ozzy Osbourne over for a White House dinner.

Look you are held to the standard of posting this inflammatory article and your weasling and Clintonian parsing trying to back out basically shows to me that you have an agenda and that you are mad that a lot of people are going throw the mud you throw out right back at you.

306 posted on 05/03/2003 2:47:37 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Bush did invite him. I posted numerous soucres stating so. I will always get upset when the truth is withheld.
307 posted on 05/03/2003 2:48:48 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: cynicom
Saturday night at free Republic, an article titled "Is Bush the Antichrist?"...


but your 209 is the only unintentionally funny reply on the thread.
I'm deeply disappointed!

308 posted on 05/03/2003 2:50:42 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: MatthewViti
“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” --Albert Einstein

And yet it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out Bush didn't invite Oz to the WH.

309 posted on 05/03/2003 2:51:13 PM PDT by TomServo (Bring Back Illbay!!!)
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To: MatthewViti
Bush did invite him. I posted numerous soucres stating so

Then I'll go back and look at your sources.

310 posted on 05/03/2003 2:52:04 PM PDT by TomServo (Bring Back Illbay!!!)
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To: MatthewViti
People can't have a debate on a subject without you shoving words in their mouth and then insulting them?

JMO, but by posting this year old article with the inflammatory title and self-absorbed commentator ranting, you were not looking for "honest" debate, but just trying to intiate a flame war.

311 posted on 05/03/2003 2:52:12 PM PDT by Dane
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To: MatthewViti; Dane
“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” --Albert Einstein

That's a very nice quote, but I doubt very much that Einstein was referring to the lunatic ramblings of someone like Chuck Baldwin when he said it.

312 posted on 05/03/2003 2:52:17 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me?" - J. Handey)
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To: Dane
You will always reside in your world of that the mud you initally throw out, should not be thrown back at you.

When did I ever say I didn't want anything "thrown back" at me? I've said nothing in defense of myself, other than to explain my point some three or four times. My defense was for the original poster, who I don't know, but who did bring up some points worth discussing/verifying/refuting/whatever. As for the title, attention-grabbing titles that don't quite represent the content are used on FR many times per day.

Never mind, doesn't matter. Keep filling up FR threads with one-line insult zingers that contribute positively nothing to meaningful discussion, no matter the topic. It's such a brilliant use of bandwidth, especially the cheese threads. Wonderful discourse that speaks so highly of the community.

Carry on!

MM, who doesn't know whether to laugh or shake his head in wonder, and decides to do both as he signs off.

313 posted on 05/03/2003 2:52:59 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Dane
I'm sorry if that's the way it came across, but I was not my intention as I have stated numerous times. I wanted to have a healthy debate is all.
314 posted on 05/03/2003 2:53:53 PM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Some folks around here....;-)
315 posted on 05/03/2003 2:55:36 PM PDT by TomServo (Bring Back Illbay!!!)
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To: cynicom
Falling for what???? I am an American Conservative, not a partisan republican that enables and apologizes for everything Bush does. You have chosen the way of the lemmings, many of us do not.

You're not alone. Party loyalists and Bush-bots follow and defend anything the cult leader says and does. I'm a conservative and still looking for a candidate to vote for in '04.

Richard W.

316 posted on 05/03/2003 2:56:09 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: MatthewViti
Bush did invite him. I posted numerous soucres stating so.


You believe those sources? Do you believe every source? Now if you have plenty of sources that verify that President Bush did invite him can you now post even one source that the event was ever held and that Ozzy attended or even set foot inside the White House.


317 posted on 05/03/2003 2:57:08 PM PDT by deport (Beware of Idiots bearing gifts.... One maybe the FR Joke)
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To: MississippiMan
What I pointed out was the fact that it's wrong to call another freeper names and throw out insults that are devoid of any intelligence.

Its just as wrong to make such an accusation when you have only read two or three postings out of over 200.

318 posted on 05/03/2003 2:57:47 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: TomServo
Hi there, Superhero #11. : ) (A Superhero's work is never done. LOL)
319 posted on 05/03/2003 2:58:40 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me?" - J. Handey)
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To: MississippiMan
Never mind, doesn't matter. Keep filling up FR threads with one-line insult zingers that contribute positively nothing to meaningful discussion, no matter the topic.

Those zingers must have hit a nerve. Now go clean your face of the mud that was intially thrown out by you and then thrown back at you.

Maybe you will learn a lesson. I highly doubt it though. Malcontents seem to thrive in their own perceived victim class world, IMO.

320 posted on 05/03/2003 3:00:09 PM PDT by Dane
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