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Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Covenant News ^ | April 12, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:29 AM PDT by MatthewViti

During the eight years of Clinton's presidency, I was repeatedly asked, "Chuck, do you think Bill Clinton is the antichrist?" (Of course, I answered no.) Therefore, it is more than interesting to me that since G.W. Bush became president no one has asked if I thought he was the antichrist. Not one single person! Instead, many people attribute to Bush god-like qualities, which actually makes him a better candidate than Clinton was.

You see, one of the chief characteristics of the coming antichrist is that he appears "as an angel of light." Therefore, an obvious reprobate such as Bill Clinton is immediately disqualified. The antichrist, by very definition, is a master deceiver. He must be someone who appears as good and benevolent. The bite is in his tail not in his tongue. In reality, Bush's angelic persona makes him much more dangerous than bad boy Billy.

For example, while Clinton was in the process of appointing numerous homosexual activists to his administration, copious letters from Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and D. James Kennedy flooded America's Christian community. Appeals for protest and resistance were heard from pulpits throughout the country. A massive media campaign began against Clinton.

Today, however, President Bush is in the process of copying Clinton's numerous appointments of open homosexuals to high positions of government, but there are no letters, no warnings from pulpits, and no media campaigns opposing it. Just the opposite. Bush is being defended, lauded, and glorified for everything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or unscriptural it might be.

When Clinton only talked of legalizing embryonic stem cell research, he was castigated and condemned. Bush actually made the procedure legal, and yet, he was praised and honored. Clinton was denigrated when he tried to convince Israel to give up land for peace. Now, Bush is in the process of actually trying to create an independent Palestinian state for Israel's enemies (with Jerusalem as its capital, no less), yet continues to receive glowing adulation. If Clinton even suggested that America's immigration laws might need to be liberalized, he was denounced in the harshest terms; but Bush can actually grant limited amnesty to thousands of illegal aliens, and there is not the faintest whisper of protest.

Do you recall how Clinton was criticized for the "low lifes" he invited to the White House? Well, Bush recently invited wild man rocker, Ozzie Osbourne, to the White House. Have you heard any notable Christian leader take Bush to task for that?

You remember Ozzie Osbourne, don't you? He is the former front man for the heavy metal band, Black Sabbath. He is famous for stage antics such as biting the heads off birds and bats. His abuse of drugs and alcohol are also well known. Furthermore, Ozzie Osbourne desecrated The Alamo by pissing all over it. In spite of this, George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans. As such, Osbourne was recently invited to the White House for dinner. Have you heard any criticism of Bush for this?

Obviously, I do not believe President Bush is the antichrist any more than I believed Bill Clinton was. However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did and, therefore, is more dangerous. I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived. Bush' s acceptance by the overwhelming majority of Christian people proves the country is ready for the antichrist, whoever he is.


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To: cynicom
All...

I have to admit, there are many partisan republicans on FR, and few Conservative Americans.

In other words, FR is not filled with kneejerk, gloom and doom nutjobs that you identify with, IMO.

241 posted on 05/03/2003 11:45:30 AM PDT by Dane
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To: cynicom
Don't leave out the detail that clinton made this wishful prognostication on foreign soil.

If we want to talk about evil.
242 posted on 05/03/2003 11:46:55 AM PDT by cyncooper ("We Stand For Human Liberty"....President George W. Bush, May 1, 2003)
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To: MatthewViti
Is GW Bush "THE" Antichrist? Answer-NO.

"THE" antichrist, or Beast out of the sea, is described in Revelation 13. Where he will come from and where he will gain his power. When they talk of anti-Chirsts, they do not understand that there are many as such in the world already-and have been all along. But there is only one who fits the description these people refer to.
243 posted on 05/03/2003 11:48:19 AM PDT by crz
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To: MississippiMan
In times like these, it's hard to tell FR apart from a liberal board. They're the ones whom we lambast for not wanting to be distracted by the facts, for just sticking to the party line no matter what. What's the difference?

Please get off your high horse. This article was not filled with facts, but with rantings of a self-absorbed commentator and thus was treated with ridicule.

244 posted on 05/03/2003 11:49:55 AM PDT by Dane
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To: TomServo
"You asked for the link. Personally, I don't even care that Brown will be there. I think he's cleaned up his "act".

I just wanted to see if it was a valid news source or just gossip before I commented on it at all.
245 posted on 05/03/2003 11:49:57 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: MississippiMan; Trace21230
"It's really pathetic that on a board that allegedly prides itself on being populated by real thinkers who enjoy discussing the truth, someone posts something like this and instantly gets hit with labels of "ridiculous" and "nutcase" and "wacko." Sickening. If you have a problem with what the guy said, why don't you dispute his alleged facts?"

I did HERE.

If you have a problem with it, present your learned opinion and back it up with a legitimate, logical refutation.

246 posted on 05/03/2003 11:52:42 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Militant Islam are a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: MatthewViti
What a crock. There were no "high level" appointments.
247 posted on 05/03/2003 11:53:49 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: buffyt
Yeah my mom is a democrat and she always thinks the worst about people who appear to be really good. If they are bad, it seems to make her more comfortable. She thinks if they appear to be really good, then they MUST be hiding something bad. Maybe that is how she was able to vote for Clinton twice, and Gore?????

What a horrible way to live, I am not only talking about the democrat part, but always thinking that when someone does something good it is not for real or thinking that there is another motive. But now that you think about it that is how most demos live, I was once one.

248 posted on 05/03/2003 11:53:55 AM PDT by GUIDO (.)
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To: MississippiMan
"If you have a problem with what the guy said, why don't you dispute his alleged facts? I have problems with Bush on some of those issues myself, and while I wouldn't have showcased them in an article like this one, he still has the right to post a well-presented set of issues without being assigned an instant litany of childish insults."

1) A "ping" is intended to draw the article's attention to someone's attention. That's what I was doing.

2) The notion that George Bush is the antichrist is such a ridiculous assertion that it isn't worth refuting.

3) Who ever said the poster didn't have the right to post the article? I'm glad it was posted. I read his article, forwarded it to someone who was interested, and got attacked by you for no real reason.

My conduct is usual and standard. Yours, OTOH, is classless.

"In times like these, it's hard to tell FR apart from a liberal board."

LOL, obviously you haven't visited a liberal board lately.
There is plenty of debate on FR. If you don't see it, you're not looking.

Trace
249 posted on 05/03/2003 11:53:56 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: honeygrl
Okey Dokey ;-)
250 posted on 05/03/2003 11:54:21 AM PDT by TomServo (Bring Back Illbay!!!)
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To: Howlin
However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did and, therefore, is more dangerous. I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived.

Deja vu!
(to a certain "Evil" speech I once heard....)

251 posted on 05/03/2003 11:54:34 AM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Matchett-PI; MississippiMan
The guy obviously doesn't understand what a PING is.
252 posted on 05/03/2003 11:55:36 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: MississippiMan
Nice rant, but the referenced article is sparse on facts.
253 posted on 05/03/2003 11:56:30 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Exactly.
254 posted on 05/03/2003 11:58:11 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: honeygrl
I just wanted to see if it was a valid news source or just gossip before I commented on it at all.

Jury still out, since the venue of the performance is not mentioned.

Until that's settled, all knee-jerk reactions of "trash in the White House!" are just that.

255 posted on 05/03/2003 11:58:35 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: LS
"To begin any kind of assessment of Bush, who in three or four executive orders HAS DONE MORE FOR THE UNBORN/PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT THAN ANYONE IN HISTORY, INCLUDING REAGAN is itself "deceptive" and deceitful."

Yup, I agree. Although I characterized the author of this article as a "fundamentalist nutcase," I am very aware that the vast majority of Christians are great Americans and don't espouse this kind of nonsense.

And your point about what Bush has done for the unborn is right on.

Trace
256 posted on 05/03/2003 11:59:00 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: MatthewViti
However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did

What a moron!

257 posted on 05/03/2003 12:09:08 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: MississippiMan
It's really pathetic that on a board that allegedly prides itself on being populated by real thinkers who enjoy discussing the truth, someone posts something like this and instantly gets hit with labels of "ridiculous" and "nutcase" and "wacko." an editorial laden with inaccuracies and yet despite hundreds of posts pointing out the truth, some would rather hold fast to the lie, because it helps them to keep on believing that Bush is no better than Clinton. I always thought freepers placed more of a premium on accuracy. I agree with you, that's Sickening.
258 posted on 05/03/2003 12:10:32 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: microgood
Wait until Slick Willy makes a move to head the UN. Hello New World Order.
259 posted on 05/03/2003 12:13:21 PM PDT by NYDave
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To: Lucas McCain
First problem in who, what, where, why, when of "antichrist" is what that word means and what other words could have been used in place of "antichrist". "INSTEAD OF" Christ, a play actor, a want-a-be, etc.

Names of "antichrist" are many.

There is neither time or space on here to list all scriptures.

However, if you are genuinely interested you might start with the Book of Ezekiel 28:11

v. 11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me saying,

v. 12 "Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the "king" of Tyrus, and say unto him, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

'Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

v. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of they tabrets and of they pipes was prepared in the in the day that thou wast created.

14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15. Thou wast perfect in the ways from the day that thou wast created, till INIQUITY was found in thee.

16. By the multitude of the merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:

therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17. Thine heart (pride) was lifted up because of the beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:

I will cast thee to the ground, (earth) and I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isaiah 14 WHOLE CHAPTER

note verse 12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of GOD: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH.'

Now we flesh beings have not witnessed these events YET!

Paul said in ICorinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


ensamples = examples since the New Testment was not written yet Paul was talking about what was WRITTEN in the OLD and so the OLD is examples for us today for our admonition - warning upon whom the ENDS of the AGE (flesh age) are come.






260 posted on 05/03/2003 12:15:37 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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