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UPSET GUN OWNERS SET TO DUMP BUSH
Worldnetdaily ^ | April 17, 2003 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/17/2003 12:53:55 AM PDT by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/17/2003 1:47:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Upset Gun Owners Set To Dump Bush

Shooters angered with White House support for firearm ban

Worldnetdaily
By Jon Dougherty
April 17, 2003

Unhappy with President Bush's decision to support continuation of a controversial gun ban passed during the Clinton administration, many gun owners say they'll dump Bush in 2004 and vote for someone else if he signs new legislation extending the prohibition.

Angel Shamaya, founder and executive director of the KeepAndBearArms.com website, said in a single day some 4,300 people responded to a poll on the site asking if respondents would continue to support Bush if he renewed a ban on so-called "assault weapons," initially passed in 1994.

According to polling results by midday yesterday, that figure had climbed to near 4,900 people, with most – more than 93 percent – responding "no" to this question: "If Congress votes to re-authorize the 1994 Clinton/Feinstein federal so-called 'Assault Weapons' ban, gives the bill to President Bush and he signs it into law, would you still vote for him in his bid for re-election to the presidency in 2004?"

Less than 7 percent said they'd still support Bush if he aids in reauthorizing the legislation.

The 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, among other things, banned the manufacture and importation of certain military-style semi-automatic rifles, dubbed "assault weapons" by bill supporters, while limiting magazine capacity to just 10 rounds. It is considered a crowning achievement for anti-gun groups, but to get more support, the bill's sponsors inserted a 10-year sunset provision, which takes effect in September 2004 – weeks before the general election.

Gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association were hoping the GOP-controlled Congress would allow the law to expire. The current Congress and administration are considered the most gun-rights friendly in a more than a decade, but Bush's comments last week threw that presumption into doubt. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told Knight-Ridder newspapers that the president "supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

"There is no such thing as gun control, only incremental gun prohibition," said Brian Puckett, co-founder of national gun-rights organization Citizens of America, of the ban itself. "Gun owners must grasp another political reality, which is: Allowing the government to get away with dictating the features of some guns sets the judicial, legislative and psychological precedent for allowing them to dictate the features of all guns."

"Our gun-rights organization, along with many others, took a stand for Bush in and after the 2000 election," Shamaya told WorldNetDaily. "From urging even Libertarians and third-party voters to support him to helping account for 'lost' military votes in case it came down to that, we fought to turn the Texas governor into a president. If supporting a semi-automatic rifle ban – the Feinstein/Clinton gun ban, no less – is how he intends to repay us, he's lost his marbles."

While the results of the KABA poll are non-scientific, they do provide a glimpse into the angst of gun owners. As WorldNetDaily reported, some lawmakers and gun-rights advocates are also upset with Bush's stance.

"I was surprised and disappointed to learn of the report of the president's support for continuing the ban on homeland-security rifles, aka semi-auto rifles," said Larry Pratt, executive director of Virginia-based Gun Owners of America, a group with 300,000 members nationwide.

"I am also puzzled. Why would George Bush want to help Democrats? The issue, when it was opposed by most Republicans, cost Democrats the House in 1994 and the White House in 2000," Pratt said. "Banning the homeland-security rifle is pure Washington, but anti-Constitution and anti-homeland security."

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, also decried the current ban and does not support the president's position to renew it.

Gun-rights supporters voiced their opinions to WorldNetDaily regarding Bush's decision.

"I will not vote for [Bush] if this ban is in place by Election Day," one WND reader said. "I am a Republican who will vote for a Democrat if I have to, if they fight against this bill. All of my conservative, gun-owning friends are exactly the same as me."

"Recently we saw on TV our soldiers handing out AK-47s to Iraqi volunteer cops," said another reader. "Our government handing out AK-47s to people they do not know, folks that have not passed an FBI background check … Yet our government would fall over backwards before even suggesting that Americans arm themselves. Quite hypocritical, I think."

"I've said long ago that 'we'd see' about Bush on guns when this opportunity finally came about," said another. "What a non-surprise. One could wrap a dill pickle in a Godiva Chocolate box and bow, but the contents remain the same. …"

Not all gun owners have criticized Bush's decision.

"He stated during the campaign he supported the law. I am pro-guns and pro-NRA, but I agree that Bush should support this assault-weapons ban," said one reader. "When in Washington you have to pick your fights carefully and this is not one worth expending political capital on."

Gun-rights activists were also upset by the president's stance because it comes at a time when a new series of lawsuits against gun makers is being launched by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and others.

One retailer/activist, Concealed Carry Inc., of Oak Brook, Ill., has even begun a campaign to "cooperate with the NAACP" and is refusing to sell firearms to blacks.

"I am going to use the broad authority granted me as a federally licensed gun dealer to prevent straw purchases by denying sales to African-Americans. To insure fairness, there will be no exceptions," said John Birch, president of Concealed Carry Inc. He said he'll continue to ban sales to African-Americans "until the NAACP asks us to, at which point we will be pleased to resume sales."

"We must let Bush and the Republican party know that if they don't support our rights we will either refuse to go to the polls or we will vote for a third party," Puckett said. "If you give them your vote even when they sell you out, they'll keep selling you out."

"President Bush created the so-called Homeland Security Department, yet he wants to continue a ban on homeland-security rifles and has done nothing to protect the sieve laughably called a border," Shamaya added. "Bush's support for a ban on semi-automatic rifles is a vote to leave patriots in this great nation with inferior defensive capabilities."


BUSH WRONG ON FIREARMS

As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban


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To: Flyer
"The Left is driving this story and attempting to drive a wedge in the support for President Bush. Watch for more "Litmus Test" single issue attempts to keep GWB from a second term. The Left knows they can't attack him in a broad sense so they will chip away where they can."

Define "left." You mean the White House or what?

"The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law."
Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan

As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban
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UPSET GUN OWNERS SET TO DUMP BUSH
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BUSH WRONG ON FIREARMS
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PLEASE Don't Sit out 2004, EVEN IF Bush signs the AW ban extention
Dan from Michigan - Freeper, conservative/libertarian mix, Republican, pro-2a, pro-life, pro-constitution, pro-freedom.

661 posted on 04/17/2003 1:28:23 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Dane; NMC EXP
Nope a response from a person who understands politics in modern America and doesn't wish to follow you over a cliff towards another demo Presidency.

Exactly.

And the idea that some would rather see the whole country suffer if they don't get their way on ONE issue is politically naive and childish.

662 posted on 04/17/2003 1:31:14 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: cruiserman
By then it will be too late. Amazing those Brady idiots piss and moan about .223 caliber semi-auto rifles, yet ignore the more accurate and powerful hunting rifles.

If your goal is to ban guns, it is actually an effective strategy.

663 posted on 04/17/2003 1:31:50 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Jorge
the idea that some would rather see the whole country suffer if they don't get their way on ONE issue

That one issue is freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. Yeah, the nerve to insist on that. How dare we.

664 posted on 04/17/2003 1:33:15 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: D Rider
Today's conservative position is the far-left position of forty years ago. There is no "middle ground" when dealing with the Left. Every time we approach the middle, the Left moves further left. It's like playing a football game where every down is 4th and 99.

Bush is no conservative. We've got to face this. Right now, we are essentially supporting an FDR during war time, restraining ourselves for the sake of the troops, but this restraint does not make the President a conservative.

We are just as likely to have our guns eventually confiscated under this sort of "conservative" administration as under an obviously liberal-socialist administration.

665 posted on 04/17/2003 1:34:24 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely (More Power to the Troops! More Bang for the Buck!)
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To: Kurdistani
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Don't be too shure that Bush will extend the assault gun ban. All this is spin. It is being treated as if it is a foregone conclusion. It hink that everyone here might be pleasantly surprised...



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666 posted on 04/17/2003 1:39:51 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Playing gun control politics with the left is like playing football with Lucy Van Pelt from Peanuts.
667 posted on 04/17/2003 1:41:39 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"Didja ever notice that the people who are the most vocally passionate, vitriolic, single minded and single issue oriented on guns are the ones that you least like to see have them? They always act like they're about one penny ante incident away from shooting up somebody."

Where did you get that little piece of wisdom, right out of the Carville playbook? Thanks for painting us all with a broad brush, jerk. Just remember, Chancellor Libertine, you Bushbots need us gun owners to vote your way...if he's just going to continue down the Klinton-Commielib path when it comes to my RKBA, I sure as heck don't need him.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

668 posted on 04/17/2003 1:43:32 PM PDT by wku man
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To: oldvike
"Legally registered gun owners are by far the most law abiding people in this country."

As are those law-abiding gun owners who live in states where registration isn't required. Fact is, the vast majority of gun owners...period...are some of the most law abiding people in the country.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

669 posted on 04/17/2003 1:47:07 PM PDT by wku man
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To: Uncle Bill
I will remember all of the one-issue fools next year, if Bush 41 loses. Remember people it is still a long ways off until Nov. 2004 and I'm still upset with some conservatives who basically handed Bill Clinton the Presidency in 1992. If we get another worthless Dem in 04, it will be on your hands!
670 posted on 04/17/2003 1:48:00 PM PDT by miloklancy
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To: wku man
Go ahead, vote for Pat Buchanan, vote for Tom Daschle while you are at it. It's just pouting right now.

The majority of you are all hat and no cattle. This election will be won on the economy picking up, and the war on terror. Sorry, that's life.

671 posted on 04/17/2003 1:49:26 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: verity
"The bottom line is that you are in the minority and will have a hissy fit when you are proven politically impotent."

Politically impotent? What a short memory you have. Gun owners put the Pubbies in power in 1994. Gun owners put Bush in office in 2000. Gun owners will put him out in 2004, if he takes our "impotency" for granted.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

672 posted on 04/17/2003 1:50:56 PM PDT by wku man
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To: miloklancy
I will remember all of the one-issue fools next year, if Bush 41 loses.

I think you don't get it. You're supposed to remember us. And so are the top GOP political advisers like Rove. Come the next time one of theirs is in power and something like this comes up, they'll remember not to cross us.

Or we can cave, and the next time they'll remember they can do whatever they damned well please to us, and still get our votes.

673 posted on 04/17/2003 1:51:37 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: TigersEye
Exactly. If there's gonna be a fight, I want it to be while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.
674 posted on 04/17/2003 1:52:20 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Uncle Bill
If the Democrats can filibuster Estrada, what's the big deal with Republican Senators filibustering this reauthorization?
675 posted on 04/17/2003 1:53:36 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: miloklancy
What if we get another worthless Pub in 04? Will it be on YOUR hands?
676 posted on 04/17/2003 1:54:36 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: wku man
Damn right. I hope Bush's political advisors see the dark clouds gathering on the horizon over this topic.
677 posted on 04/17/2003 1:55:30 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Spiff
Excuse me ... you don't need to be rude!

And ... what do computers and cars have to do with owning an AK-47? Your trite remarks do not answer my question.
678 posted on 04/17/2003 1:56:40 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: ImpBill; Spandau
Nice dodge, now answer his question. How is it that you, an alleged life member of the NRA, don't know that the AWB ban has nothing to do with full-auto weapons? Surely you, as a life member of the NRA, know that it's the National Firearms Act of '34 that regulates full-auto weapons, hmmmm? I smell a troll.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

679 posted on 04/17/2003 1:59:44 PM PDT by wku man
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To: wku man; ImpBill; Spandau
It's because he's either a) stupid, b) a liar, or c) both.
680 posted on 04/17/2003 2:01:15 PM PDT by dinodino
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