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Professor Dumped Over Evolution Beliefs
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/112003a.asp ^ | March 11, 2003 | Jim Brown and Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 03/11/2003 3:01:59 PM PST by Remedy

A university professor said she was asked to resign for introducing elite students to flaws in Darwinian thought, and she now says academic freedom at her school is just a charade.

During a recent honors forum at Mississippi University for Women (MUW), Dr. Nancy Bryson gave a presentation titled "Critical Thinking on Evolution" -- which covered alternate views to evolution such as intelligent design. Bryson said that following the presentation, a senior professor of biology told her she was unqualified and not a professional biologist, and said her presentation was "religion masquerading as science."

The next day, Vice President of Academic Affairs, Dr. Vagn Hansen asked Bryson to resign from her position as head of the school's Division of Science and Mathematics.

"The academy is all about free thought and academic freedom. He hadn't even heard my talk," Bryson told American Family Radio News. "[W]ithout knowing anything about my talk, he makes that decision. I think it's just really an outrage."

Bryson believes she was punished for challenging evolutionary thought and said she hopes her dismissal will smooth the way for more campus debate on the theory of evolution. University counsel Perry Sansing said MUW will not comment on why Bryson was asked to resign because it is a personnel matter.

"The best reaction," Bryson says, "and the most encouraging reaction I have received has been from the students." She added that the students who have heard the talk, "They have been so enthusiastically supportive of me."

Bryson has contacted the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy and is considering taking legal action against the school.


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To: Ichneumon
Excuseme, I should have said gaps of half a billion years instead of billions of years. My point still stands: there are HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE undeniable gaps in the fossil record - gaps which even Darwin admitted were problematic.
381 posted on 03/12/2003 7:35:57 PM PST by Notwithstanding (What have you done for LIFE lately?)
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To: VadeRetro
sounds like you have a

on your shoulder....

382 posted on 03/12/2003 7:40:47 PM PST by ALS
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To: balrog666
Not relevant to the point I am making and so I will not entertain the question - I post the 5 paradigms not to discuss their merits, but to note that evolution, according to Right Wing Professor's recommended sources, is not at the core of much of modern biology.

Thus his notion that this fired professor was denying the core of modern biology is false. There is no scientific evidence to prove the paradigm of evolution as scientific reality.
383 posted on 03/12/2003 7:45:01 PM PST by Notwithstanding (What have you done for LIFE lately?)
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To: VadeRetro
I didn't want 'esoteric lucidity' banned ...

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Only lasted a few hours ... too bad !
384 posted on 03/12/2003 7:47:44 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God =Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Notwithstanding
Not relevant to the point I am making and so I will not entertain the question

A virus is no more alive than a prion or a T-bone steak(or even Darwininian just-so stories).

385 posted on 03/12/2003 7:50:48 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
I didn't want 'esoteric lucidity' banned ...

Good analogy! You can think some, if not write.

I don't want Dr. Bryson silenced utterly. However, I'm not going to tell her university that they have to retain her in a position (Science and Mathematics Division head) if they're not comfortable that she can tell BS from science.

386 posted on 03/12/2003 8:06:02 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
if they're not comfortable that she can tell BS from science.

She is not a Darwininian. What you posted is a prerequisite for a Darwininian.

387 posted on 03/12/2003 8:11:55 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Junior; AndrewC; Dataman
How about archaeopteryx? Is it a bird? Is it a therapod dinosaur?

Seeing that it has perching claws for feet, feathers not scales, that the ankles and teeth can not be derived from a therapod, that it has a bird like breast bone, wings and jaw and that researchers from the Univ of Texas have found birds that supposedly date back 225 million years versus 150 million for archaeopteryx, well if it walks like a bird, flaps like a bird, is dressed like a bird and there were already birds around. I'd go with bird. What do you think it is?

Still there should be millions of examples of transitional forms not just a handful of possibilities. Where are the cogs and the dats. Where are the semi-vertebrates? Why don't they exist today? Why doesn't evolution go backwards as well as forward? Why are there any distinguishable species now? Shouldn't every living creature be a transitional form moving either up down the evolutionary scale?

Nobody has the answers just theories and hypothesis and no way to prove them. Ernst Mayr of Harvard even admits that much.

Still if you would like to point out how archaeopteryx is a transitional form, I am willing to discuss it with you.

Best Regards,
Boiler Plate

388 posted on 03/12/2003 8:18:13 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Boiler Plate
I'd go with bird.

"Dromaeosaurid Archaeopteryx".

"A bird!? Just a bird!?"

389 posted on 03/12/2003 8:27:57 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Parlor science !

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390 posted on 03/12/2003 8:28:02 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God =Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Lurking Libertarian
The greatest sin is the worship of false go

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391 posted on 03/12/2003 8:29:53 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Evolutionists point to this as evidence for their theory but the new discoveries of the complexity of the process, and the fact that bacterial ribosomes are so similar to those in humans, is strong evidence against evolution. The complexities of cell replication must have been present at the beginning of life.

A simple explanation for the similarities of the basic building blocks can be found if one realizes that all life originates from a single "software house." He is awesome indeed!


Click here for the entire article:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/technical/19971201-143.html


1255 posted on 03/03/2003 9:04 AM PST by bondserv

392 posted on 03/12/2003 8:35:21 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God =Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Junior
`This identification was possible only through phylogenetic analysis of the virus, which allowed very rapid identification,'' said David Hillis, a biologist at the University of Texas-Austin.

And there is no cure for hanta virus now even after all these years. Science has been using the similarities of different species for research for thousands of years to learn more about diseases and anatomy. Aristotle would cut up animals to learn biology. This is nothing new. The evolutionists are like Clintonites who claim that everything that is worthwhile is due to evolution.

Further the whole claim of the article is false. It is easily disproven by the following article on Dna Help from a Deadly Fish . Where it shows that the fugu fish - long and far away extremely distant (as far as evolution goes) to humans has been giving tremendous help is helping scientists learn more about human DNA - including the discovery of over a thousand genes which the human genome project - the best that science could do - failed to discover.

The above proves two things:
1. Scientists, real scientists ignore evolution and go where the evidence and their instincts leads them.
2. That such an evolutionarily distant species has so much alike to humans shows that evolution is false. Such a distant species should be far too unrelated to us if evolution were true, however, it is not to be wondered that a Creator would use and reuse what worked in one species for the same purposes in another species just like an inventor would not reinvent the wheel but use it in further inventions.

So keep looking for something by which evolution has helped humanity. When you do, we will have to weigh it against how evolution has been detrimental to science and humanity in general (such as by giving scientific legitimacy to the mass murderers of over a hundred million people in the 20th century).

393 posted on 03/12/2003 8:38:21 PM PST by gore3000
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To: ml/nj
Without the ability to reproduce, genetic change via mutation cannot result in evolution.

Did you read beyond the first sentence of my post, or have you read any of the other relevant posts?

394 posted on 03/12/2003 8:39:34 PM PST by js1138
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Can you replicate this impact? No, so you can only "extrapolate" and "theorize."

The physics of impacts is well understood as is their numerical simulation.

395 posted on 03/12/2003 8:40:23 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro
"A bird!? Just a bird!?"

Junior only gave me two choices Vade. So based upon the information I cited and images of the actual fossils, I am going with bird. Do you have a problem with that. Which one do you pick, therapod or bird? Thanks for the swell sketch.

Best Regards,
Boiler Plate

396 posted on 03/12/2003 8:44:33 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: hawkaw
At this point someone has created a theory of evolution. It is not "absolute".

If it were not 'absolute' then it is fair and proper to disagree with it and yes to attack it. Real scientists do that to all theories all the time. It is only the PSEUDO-SCIENCE of evolution that does not allow for disagreement with its tenets as this article (and many others in the past) show.

Further, the whole claim that evolution is subject to scientific revision is total nonsense. The central theme of evolution is materialism. Like all materialism it does not even bother to tell us how things come about, how they are ordered, how they arise. They just posit a totally unscientific 'randomness' as the cause of all things. That is why evolution can teach us nothing and why it should be kept out of classrooms. It is not science to say that things just 'happen'. Science is about cause and effect, about how things happen and evolution has nothing to teach us about that.

397 posted on 03/12/2003 8:45:34 PM PST by gore3000
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To: VadeRetro
I'm pretty sure it predates this thread.

Actually it's a timeless verity.

398 posted on 03/12/2003 8:54:16 PM PST by js1138
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To: Junior
We would assume the critters were becoming warm blooded and needed a form of insulation.

Perhaps they went to the Wizard of Oz and he gave them 'warm blood'?

This is the ridiculous nonsense that the evolutionists keep pushing on people. If necessity is the cause of all these changes then why is it that we still have examples of creatures which are identical to those of some 500 million years ago? How come that the mutations stopped for these creatures? Who told them to stop changing? Did not the environment change for all creatures or just for those which the evolutionists wanted to change?

Survival of the fittest only destroys, it is not the agency of creating anything.

399 posted on 03/12/2003 8:54:29 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Sorry. Pasted something left over from another thread. Interestingly it caught the attention of effdot. The lack of relevance must speak to him.

Incoherent placemarker.

400 posted on 03/12/2003 8:59:20 PM PST by js1138
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