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Libertarians Look for a State to Call Their Own. (Free State Project)
The Everett Herald (WA) | 2/23/2003 | reprint from the Baltimore Sun

Posted on 02/23/2003 7:55:12 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Edited on 02/23/2003 7:57:03 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Plans are under way for an invasion of New Hampshire. Or Wyoming. Or maybe Delaware, Montana or Alaska. Sparsely populated and independent in spirit, they're all attractive targets for a certain bloodless coup in the making.

Within the next several years, according to the plan, 20,000 Libertarians would move to a single state and begin infiltrating. They'd get jobs, join civic groups, get elected and take a hatchet to taxes and laws. In this utopia called the Free State Project, schools would be severed from the state, gun-control laws abolished, drugs legalized, health and social services privatized, and most federal aid rejected. Government's only job would be to protect against "force and fraud."


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To: Protagoras
He doesn't like it when I expose his little childish game. So he is using you.

Yep ya got me. He is the all powerful CJ and I am his minion. Man you need to get a grip. You are in serious need of drugs.

301 posted on 02/24/2003 9:36:17 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever; Cultural Jihad
He didn't make me do it, he caught me at a bad moment like I said. I'm not proud of what I said to him, I even concidered apologising to him. (but I was suspended)

In fact I will right now. Hey CJ, I'm sorry for what I said. I don't know for a fact that you are what I accused you of. I made my confession to God for it.

Now you have to concider that I have told the truth all along about everything. I'm not afraid of the truth. Are you? Do you have the balls to tell the truth?

302 posted on 02/24/2003 9:38:56 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Texasforever
Yep ya got me. He is the all powerful CJ and I am his minion.

He isn't powerful, he is pitiful. And you are a tool for him.

Son, you need to get a grip.

You are in serious need of drugs.

I don't do drugs, never have. Most of the warriors here have though. I hate what drugs do to people, and the opening they give to the folks like we have here.

303 posted on 02/24/2003 9:42:51 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras

You don't readily come to mind, but I have more important things to think about than forum members who are in the throes of bad moments. Would you please point to a valid link where I ever talked with you before?

304 posted on 02/24/2003 9:43:19 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Protagoras
Do you have the balls to tell the truth?

Here is the truth. I have 3-3 day suspensions and one for one month. I don't know who pulled the trigger on me and I don't care since I just don't take it personally. I am on NO alert list and even if there was one who the hell cares? There are ping lists for everything around here. I would advise you to grow up and stop taking an Internet website so damned seriously.

305 posted on 02/24/2003 9:44:33 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
BTW, Robinson is opposed to the WOD. Another reason you can be sure CJ ain't him.
306 posted on 02/24/2003 9:44:38 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Texasforever
I am on NO alert list and even if there was one who the hell cares? There are ping lists for everything around here.

It's not a ping list. That's where you list the people you are telling about a thread. The alert list they have is used to disrupt the site and make the lurkers think that people who are not conservative represent conservative ideals. It's the oldest trick in the political book. It's what I call the "Archie Bunker" strategy. You pretend you are a conservative and then act like a moron, thereby portraying conservatives as morons.

As for taking it seriously, the owner of this site thinks it's a serious business to give people a place to exchange ideas. Opinions are changed here all the time.

307 posted on 02/24/2003 9:53:36 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
Look I just jumped in here to mess with you a bit but it is obvious that you are determined to be a victim and I will leave you to your little self-pity party. Life sucks and then you die.
308 posted on 02/24/2003 10:03:58 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Cultural Jihad
So how did you know I was suspended? Lucky guess?

And just what is it that you have to think about that is so important? Hanging around the internet all day spreading lies to further your sick obsession against libertartians?

Lets face it, your screen name tells it all. Jihad is the key word. It means holy war and you picked it for that reason. You fancy yourself as some kind of moral savior and think that a theocracy of your particular flavor would fix the world.

You aren't a conservative in any matter whatsoever. Your idea is to use the guns of government to enforce your convoluted notion of the utopia that you accuse everyone else of.

You pretend to be a Christian but bear false witness all day long everyday on this forum and act in the most unchristian manner as anyone I have ever witnessed. Your idols are the Mullahs. Jihad is their battle cry and your ideas are so close to theirs it's frightening.

Not to mention the moral cowardace of denying your participation in this little alert cabal while bearing false witness against me about it and other things.

Hit your knees, you are in deep trouble brought on by your own pride.

309 posted on 02/24/2003 10:06:26 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Texasforever
Look I just jumped in here to mess with you a bit but it is obvious that you are determined to be a victim and I will leave you to your little self-pity party

You really don't get it do you? I don't have any self pity and I don't feel put upon. It's the internet, like you said. But I'll tell you what, it's all about ideas. And the ideas being put forth on this supposed conservative site are anything but conservative and are the precise ideas that got us into WWII because they went unchallenged. I may not be young enough to serve anymore, but I'll never let the nuts convince people that their ideas are mainstream as long as I have a forum to disabuse people of it.

Ideas are everything, and ideas have consequences. Think about it. And don't let people use you.

310 posted on 02/24/2003 10:12:24 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
I suggest that YOU get help, dear. There is absolutely NO so-called secret " alert list ", and all of us, who are arguing against your positions are old enough to be your parents.

Jim may be somehwat against the WOD; however, he really and truely is against the lunatic antics of Libertarians. He is solidly behind President Bush and the vast majority ( including his war against terror and the imminent one in Iraq !) of what he says and does. He has excoriated , many times over, those who rage against the president, claim that there's no difference between the Dems and the GOP, and does NOT support Libertarianism. As a matter of fact, he has said that Libertarians should vote Republican. Doubt all of this ? GO READ THE ARCHIEVES !

Ever wonder just WHy it is that Libertarian threads disappear/ get moved to the " smokey Backroom " ? It's because you people can't debate, always lose it, and wind up making personal attacks.

311 posted on 02/24/2003 10:13:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Protagoras; Kevin Curry; Roscoe

You are sorely confused, or dissembling, or both. Libertarians are not conservatives. In fact, anyone can read your so-called "Archie Bunker" strategy being proselytized and praised on the loony-libertarian forums, where they regularly take delight in demeaning the owner and conservative members of this forum, and plotting ways to disrupt it.

Furthermore, if I invite anyone to come to a thread, I add their names to the ping list for anyone to see. Perhaps you were projecting, but honestly I couldn't care less about your personal problems.

Lucky guess? Naw. You were the one who claimed you were suspended in post #302 for anyone who cares to see. Is this a part of the "Archie Bunker" strategy, too? To appear hobbled with short-term memory loss?

312 posted on 02/24/2003 10:15:08 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: nopardons
I suggest that YOU get help, dear.

Ya think? If you think that CJ and his little band of Jihadists are on the right track, I suggest you get some help.

There is absolutely NO so-called secret " alert list ",

The fact that you didn't make the cut doesn't mean they don't have one. Why don't you ask your friends CJ and Roscoe to deny it? C'mon, they are your soulmates, they won't lie to you. But don't expect a direct answer, they will ignore it or make some other comment. And ask em in public so they can't fib in private.

and all of us, who are arguing against your positions are old enough to be your parents.

I wish it were so lady, but I'm past my prime years. I'm older than you most likely.

I can debate you on any topic any time you like. You will never see me name calling until the lies and attacks start. You think CJ, Roscoe and Dane are expert debaters? That's sad. They post childish pictures and attack people. Ask them a serious question and they avoid or disappear.

You don't even know if I'm a libertarian and you don't even know my postitions, but you are already making arguments against them?

As for Robinson, he is a Republican. He used to claim to being a conservative, but that seems to have taken a back seat now that his party has turned left. (Oh sorry, center) The thought of losing to Democrats has him in a tither because his hatred of Clinton is so great.

313 posted on 02/24/2003 10:27:41 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Cultural Jihad
Naw. You were the one who claimed you were suspended in post #302 for anyone who cares to see. Is this a part of the "Archie Bunker" strategy, too? To appear hobbled with short-term memory loss?

Oops, I guess the memory loss is yours, very convienient. #284 makes your lie come to light, but nice try.

As to your other charge, I never mentioned libertarians, you did. We were talking about conservatives, and you aren't one. Archie

As to the "invite" part of your evasion, very clever, nice try. I asked you about your participation, you won't answer that directly. The reason is because I have asked you the question before; Have you ever been summoned to a thread or summoned anyone by any means other than publicly pinging them? And the answer is always avoided for the obvious reason. But since you have borne false witness against me several times on this thread alone, an honest answer is not likely at this point.

314 posted on 02/24/2003 10:39:06 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras; nopardons

Ah, yes. Bill Clinton who fawns over the Libertarian title, the fellow moral-liberal Democrat who approves of the Libertarian penchant for winking at and turning a blind eye to evil and the resulting corruption of people, the man who single-handedly closed down the Federal government not once but twice, the man who caused a virtual civil war within the halls of our self-governance institutions. And here you are slamming the owner of the forum you are squatting on for his disdain for anyone who would destroy what he holds dear. We conservatives repudiate your moral-liberal mindset of the Democratic/Libertarian/Greens axis, Archie.

315 posted on 02/24/2003 10:40:27 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Protagoras

In post #284 I was referring not to your suspension, but to the suspension of Da Corpse, who likewise rants on endlessly about the mysterious and veiled ping list. For some reason you thought it referred to you, Protagoras. Perhaps you had forgotten which name you were logged in as?

316 posted on 02/24/2003 10:45:50 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
And here you are slamming the owner of the forum you are squatting on for his disdain for anyone who would destroy what he holds dear.

I didn't slam the owner at all. You read it that way so you can hit the abuse button again. I have told nothing but my opinon based on my converstions with him. He has told me that he thinks the only way to defeat Democrats is to vote Republican and get others to do the same. Now that they are in power, he is afraid they will lose it, so he sticks with them even when they do things like sign the CFR nonsense and propose new government entitlements like medicare drug benefits. It is no secret and is not out of school.

We conservatives repudiate your moral-liberal mindset of the Democratic/Libertarian/Greens axis, Archie.

Now you try to link me to the hated Clinton. Nice try. And you try to make it sound like I oppose the owner over it. Nice try. And you try to link libertarians to socialists and commies, nice try. I see your debating skills haven't improved.

317 posted on 02/24/2003 10:50:50 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Cultural Jihad
Perhaps you had forgotten which name you were logged in as?

I never heard of him and I just assumed it was just anbother of your little childish name calling episodes.

I have one screen name and i'll bet you a uears suspension that thats the truth. More false witness. Man, for an alleged christian, you sure do that a lot. Want to borrow a link to the ten commandments?

318 posted on 02/24/2003 10:53:42 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Cultural Jihad
We conservatives

C'mon goofy, you ain't a conservative. You're a violent theocrat. Squatting here.

319 posted on 02/24/2003 10:55:36 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras; Dead Corpse

Then I retract the question and profer an apology. The fact remains both you and Dead Corpse rant on about a non-existent ping list.

320 posted on 02/24/2003 10:57:50 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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