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1 posted on 02/17/2003 9:27:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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2 posted on 02/17/2003 9:45:11 PM PST by First_Salute
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3 posted on 02/17/2003 9:46:47 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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5 posted on 02/17/2003 9:49:00 PM PST by EastCoast
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To: TLBSHOW
President Bush met with Ted Kennedy.

I don't have the stomach for his job.

I think when he puts his arm around somebody it's got a special meaning.

I think of Al Capone with that baseball bat.

And these bums know it's there.

. . .AMC?. . .Hillary said that means "American Museum Council"--Hey, can that be?. . .

7 posted on 02/17/2003 9:56:52 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery, das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: TLBSHOW

On September 20, 2001 -- just nine days after the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon --
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf was the Muslim representative in a small ecumenical gathering held in the Oval Office.





12 posted on 02/17/2003 10:36:29 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: TLBSHOW
Six days later, President Bush met in the Roosevelt Room with a Muslim imam by the name of Muzammil H. Siddiqi. Siddiqi is a long-time board member of several organizations in the United States funded by, and closely tied to, Saudi Arabia's radical state religion known as Wahhabism. Two of these groups, including one where Siddiqi still sits on the board,
were raided in March 2002 by Federal authorities in pursuit of terrorist financing.

I watched Muzammil Siddiqi, the Imam for the Islamic Society of North America, stand on stage with President George W. Bush in the National Cathedral. Imam Siddiqi is a radical extremist who has participated in anti-American demonstrations in front of the White House as recently as October of 2000. He has in the past called for a Jihad or holy war against this nation. While the Christian and Jewish leaders at the event prayed for our nation and for the dead and dying from the attack, Imam Siddiqi did not do so. At no time did he condemn the acts of the terrorists nor did he pray for America or for the families of those who lost their lives in the Jihad attack against the United States. Indeed even the liberal Washington Post was left wondering by his words. Liberal Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer made this observation of the Imam’s behavior on stage with President Bush:

"Why did the spiritual leader of the Islamic Society of North America, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, not say that such terrorism is contrary to Islam in his address at the national prayer service at the Washington National Cathedral? His words went out around the world. Yet he was vague and elusive. ‘But those that lay the plots of evil, for them is a terrible penalty.’ Very true. But who are the layers of plots of evil? Those who perpetrated the World Trade Center attack? Or America, as thousands of Muslims in the street claim? The imam might have made that clear. He did not."

As the service closed I felt the chill of the presence of the awesome power of God. I was clearly reminded of the very first of the Ten Commandments, THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME (Exodus 20:3). The National Cathedral had been defiled by prayers to a pagan moon god, Allah. Our Christian President had bowed his head to prayers offered to other gods, prayers that may have been for those who would destroy our nation and enslave our children to an alien religion. At that moment the hand of protection of the true God was removed from our nation.

Since the Jihad attack on the United States on September 11th the President has surrounded himself with and sought advice from radical Islamic leaders who have openly called for the violent overthrow of the government of the United States. In addition, the President has invited six of the seven Islamic nations known to sponsor terror into his "coalition against terror".
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15 posted on 02/17/2003 10:48:47 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: TLBSHOW
On September 17, 2001, President Bush paid a visit to the mosque in Washington. There he was photographed flanked by Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

CAIR has long been an admirer and public defender of terrorist organizations whose attacks against even innocent women and children it sees as legitimate acts of "liberation." Awad has personally declared, "I am a supporter of the Hamas movement." o Also in the picture with President Bush at the mosque was Khaled Saffuri, currently chairman of an organization called the Islamic Institute, which he co-founded with conservative activist Grover Norquist.


Bush's scary CAIR friends
by Debbie Schlussel

Too bad Patrick Henry isn't around to advise President Bush.

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth," Henry remarked. "For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst; and to provide for it."

Though Henry never faced modern-day Islamic terrorists, he was around for other miscreants, known as pirates. And unlike Bush and Colin Powell, neither he nor our other founding fathers consorted with the pirates' representatives and pro-pirate "civil rights" groups in America. In those days, our leaders didn't make "Coalitions Against Piracy" with the countries who hosted and harbored pirates. And they didn't make statements saying that this was not about piracy and pirates, a peaceful group who just wanted to plunder, rape and pillage.

But, unfortunately, as I've described in my recent columns, President Bush has invited representatives of the most radical, pro-terrorist Islamic groups in America to pray with him at the National Cathedral, to pray with him at the Washington, D.C., mosque, to sit near Mrs. Bush at the big speech to Congress and to hold hands with him at the White House.

One of those groups, CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations, is among the most dangerous to American security. CAIR is an outgrowth of Hamas front group the Islamic Association of Palestine. Oliver "Buck" Revell was the FBI's associate director in charge of Investigative and Counter-Intelligence Operations from 1985 to 1991, in charge of all FBI terrorism investigations. "[The Islamic Association of Palestine] is an organization that has directly supported Hamas military goals," he told Capitol Hill newspaper, "The Hill." "It is a front organization for Hamas that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants. It has produced videotapes that are very hate-filled, full of vehement propaganda. It is an organization that has supported direct confrontation." It is also an organization that exists without impingement in Texas.

CAIR's founder and executive director, Nihad Awad, was IAP's public relations director ("Muslim-Americans in Mainstream America," The Link, February-March 2000). Islamic Association of Palestine's publications, including Muslim World Monitor – of which Awad was contributing editor – and Al-Zaitonah, frequently praise terrorist actions.

Awad was the gentleman with the neatly trimmed beard, sitting a couple seats from Mrs. Bush at the president's big speech to Congress and standing next to Bush at several events, including the D.C. mosque and National Cathedral services. IAP and CAIR, according to Revell, had "intertwined membership" and CAIR used IAP propaganda materials.

Incidentally, Awad – for mysterious reasons – appears to have changed his name. On CAIR's 1994 IRS form 990, he is listed as "CAIR Executive Director Nehad A. Hammad." And then there is the similarity in staff.

Besides Awad, CAIR Director of Communications Ibrahim Hooper also worked for IAP. Rafeeq Jaber, IAP's current president, was a founding director of CAIR.

CAIR's funding comes from groups like the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. When it was founded in 1994, CAIR received its original $5,000 from HLF. Mohammed Nimer, director of CAIR's Research Center, was on the Board of United Association for Studies and Research (UASR), the strategic arm of Hamas in the U.S., according to the New York Times. It was founded by Mousa Abu Marzook, the political chief of Hamas and a well-known terrorist operative.

Awad, in the Muslim World Monitor, called the trial and conviction of the first World Trade Center (WTC) bombers, "a travesty of justice." He has openly expressed his support for terrorist groups, like Hamas. "I am in support of the Hamas movement," he said at a 1994 Barry University panel discussion, "The Road to Peace: The Challenge of the Middle East." He's also openly praised Ayatollah Khomeini. Remember him – the guy who directed the taking of U.S. hostages in Iran?

Hooper, echoing the Taliban government, has always refused to condemn Osama bin Laden. In a 1998 aol.com interview, after the bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, Hooper said the bombings were a result of "misunderstanding of both sides." Today, he still will not condemn bin Laden, only the attacks on the WTC. Hooper also defended Arab Muslim Sudan's murder of over two million black Christian citizens and the slavery, rape and torture of millions more, dismissing it as "inter-tribal hostage-taking."

Imam Siraj Wahaj, a CAIR board member, is one of the most respected American Muslim leaders and is vice president of the Islamic Society of North America. But, according to Islamic expert Dr. Daniel Pipes, he "calls for replacing the U.S. government with a caliphate." Wahhaj was a character witness for Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, the Muslim cleric convicted of taking part in the first WTC bombing and planning to blow up U.S. buildings and bridges. Wahaj was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in that case. According to Salon.com, in a 1991 speech before the Islamic Association of North Texas, Wahaj called Operation Desert Storm, "one of the most diabolical plots ever in the annals of history" and predicted that America will fall unless it "accepts the Islamic agenda."

CAIR's demand for the removal of an anti-bin Laden billboard (that merely declared him "the sworn enemy") in Los Angeles, and its protest of the FBI, INS and Customs raid are minor compared to its strong Oval Office connections. It's hard to believe that President Bush pronounced "Islam is Peace" while surrounding himself with the least peaceful representatives of it in America.

Long John Silver and other pirates were a lot less successful because they didn't have groups like CAIR furthering their cause. Silver only had a wooden leg and an eyepatch to show for his efforts.

Today's terrorists have full entrée into the White House.






19 posted on 02/17/2003 11:04:13 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: TLBSHOW
Well, we know you're not with him.
36 posted on 02/19/2003 12:22:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
I would expect this sort of post on DU, not on FR. Are you actually accusing GW of being a traitor, or is this your way of baiting people here?

In any event, this is not the place for this kind of crap.

73 posted on 02/19/2003 1:34:46 PM PST by mhking ("The word is no. I am therefore going anyway..." --Admiral J.T. Kirk)
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To: TLBSHOW
As Renaldus Magnus said -- "trust but Verify". I give Mr. Bush more trust than I'd give just about anyone I know -- he has proven himself incredibly shrewd, unfailingly honest, well-thought-out in the most important issues as we see them resolve, and courageous. He picks fine and bold men and women to join his executive. He negiotiates in statecraft at a high-level of skill and grace met by very few. When he makes political compromises they somehow tend to ensnare those who he compromised with, so that in the play out of things, 'twas no compromise at all.

Yet I and anyone else would be deficient and lacking in diligence if we ignore acts that may be troubling such as described here. I'll tell you I expect the final card to fall for the good, as Mr. Bush plays the hand, but as someone setting behind him at the table (as we all are) and funding the hand, it is a provocative play.

120 posted on 02/19/2003 2:04:18 PM PST by bvw
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To: TLBSHOW
The Fem-bots Attack!
123 posted on 02/19/2003 2:06:43 PM PST by bvw
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To: TLBSHOW; All
Todd,

Neither Frank J. Gaffney or the Center for Security Policy are saying that Bush is a traitor.

Read the author's summary:

"It is very much in the President's interest -- and the Nation's -- that moderate, law-abiding, peace-loving and patriotic American Muslims be embraced and empowered by the Bush Administration and all those who support it in waging a war on terror, not on Islam."

"To do so, however, the Administration must not allow those who are “with” its enemies in that struggle to continue being with the President and his team."

In no way is he suggesting that Bush is a traitor. He's suggesting that the White House should not be meeting with these characters. I agree. I also notice that these meetings took place in 2001. Why Gaffney is bringing it up now I have no idea. I think he's criticizing Bush's political team for setting them up to begin with.

Read what the Center for Security Policy suggested Bush say about the war situation:

(Washington, D.C.): President Bush has been getting a lot of free advice lately about what he should say in his State of the Union address tomorrow night. Here is the Center for Security Policy's contribution:

My fellow Americans: Tonight, it is my solemn responsibility to describe for you an unacceptably grave risk to our national security -- and what we are going to do about it.

For seventeen months, we have been waging a war on terror, a defensive response to a scurrilous attack that caused the premeditated death of thousands of our countrymen. We have struck at the al Qaeda network that was most immediately involved in carrying out the September 11th hijackings. All over the world, operatives of this Islamist terror organization are today being sought, apprehended or killed in the hope of preventing further, and possibly far more destructive, attacks upon us, our allies or our vital interests.

Indispensable to that effort has been our campaign to deny al Qaeda the logistical support, training facilities and safe haven they once enjoyed in Afghanistan. In the process, thanks to the skill, courage and sacrifice of our armed forces and intelligence services, we have helped to liberate the Afghan people and to offer them an opportunity rarely known to their long-suffering nation for representative self-governance, political freedom and economic opportunity.

The Iraq Connection

We have reason to believe, however, that another government played an indispensable role in planning, facilitating and executing the September 11th attacks: Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. Unfortunately, at the moment the evidence of this involvement is circumstantial and less than clear-cut.

The case for implicating Saddam and his operatives in the latest and most deadly attack upon us is even more compelling, though, when added to evidence that points to his complicity in earlier terrorist acts -- the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the 1996 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Tonight, sitting with the First Lady, are two intrepid women who have done pioneering work ferreting out and calling attention to this evidence: an internationally recognized specialist on Iraq and best-selling author, Dr. Laurie Mylroie, and television-reporter-turned-independent investigator, Jayna Davis of Oklahoma City. I would ask you to join me in saluting them for pursuing leads that neither the federal government, prosecutors or the media have done enough to date to investigate.

My administration is working to correct this shortfall and to learn all we can -- to connect the dots -- between Saddam's sponsorship of terror, his oft-stated desire for revenge and the actions of others, be they followers of a blind sheik, disaffected American "militiamen" or al Qaeda operatives. We will probably not know the full truth about the Iraqi connection, however, until Iraq is liberated as Afghanistan has been, and the secrets of the former's brutal regime are brought to light.

Time is Not on Our Side

What we do know already is that it would be irresponsible to afford Saddam Hussein an opportunity to attack again, either directly or through cut-outs. This is particularly true since the next attack may well involve the use of weapons of mass destruction on our soil or overseas. This danger exists because Saddam has assiduously pursued the production and stockpiling of such weapons and continues to violate international commitments and UN Security Council resolutions requiring him to disarm.

We also know that the only effective way to ensure such disarmament -- and the only hope that it will not be followed by a covert Iraqi rearmament -- is to liberate Iraq from Saddam's brutal misrule. Affording more time for inspections that are not disarming Iraq and that, even if they were, would not in and of themselves preclude Saddam from subsequently rearming, would do nothing to prevent him from engaging in further acts of terror against us. To the contrary, additional weeks or months may well provide just the opportunity he needs to exercise a monstrously lethal strike.

The Bottom Line

In the hope of preventing such a possibility, with the intention of advancing regional and world peace and with a determination to liberate the Iraqi people, I have ordered the United States military at this hour to launch operations aimed at removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. As they do so, they will be accompanied and facilitated in their campaign by a number of other nations' combat units joining ours in operating from foreign bases and, with permission, through foreign airspace.

The speed and cost of this operation will ultimately be decided by the help we receive from those who have at least as much interest as we in ending Saddam's malevolence -- his own people -- as by the skillful employment of our weaponry. It is, in no small measure, in their hands, whether Iraqi weapons of mass destruction are found and neutralized, or employed by the regime's henchmen. The question of whether Saddam Hussein succeeds in destroying Iraq's oil fields and national infrastructure may depend on the swiftness and efficacy of popular resistance. We will work with the opposition to secure these goals and to build a new, free and prosperous Iraq, a model for the region and the world.

My report to you tonight is that we have acted, as we must, to defend our vital interests. We are doing so in a way that will minimize the threats now confronting us, that holds out hope for a more peaceful and secure world and that will enhance the state of our Union. God bless America.

(http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=papers&code=03-D_04)

I think your characterization of Gaffney and the Center's opinion on this issue is completely wrong and your accusations that Bush is a traitor is way over the top.
259 posted on 02/19/2003 3:12:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
A ping to the WOD list to give you guys an example of how the pros flamewar. Folks, the arguments we've been getting into are nothing compared to this. I want a concerted effort by everyone to make our threads at least half as heated as this one. ;-)
290 posted on 02/19/2003 3:28:15 PM PST by jmc813 (Do tigers sleep in lily patches? Do rhinos run from thunder?)
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To: TLBSHOW
Who is with the President? I am.
302 posted on 02/19/2003 3:31:05 PM PST by Wolfstar (Time is not on our side. Let's roll.)
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To: TLBSHOW
< Rant>

Methinks the President has read Sun Tzu. Then again, I could be wrong.

Methinks when Iraq is conquered, the Persians will fold like a house of cards. Then again, I could be wrong.

Syria, Libya, Sudan, and N. Korea can't be feeling too well at the moment. Then again, I could be wrong. < /Rant>

For many Arab and Islamic countries, and their surrogates, the time has come to pay the piper.

5.56mm

376 posted on 02/19/2003 4:28:44 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: TLBSHOW
"Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists."
~~George W. Bush
450 posted on 02/19/2003 5:57:51 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TLBSHOW
He won't be the first President ill-served by those close to him who are supposed to prevent such idiocies from happening.
471 posted on 02/19/2003 6:08:41 PM PST by RightOnline
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540 posted on 02/19/2003 6:38:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam!! (Bush seems to be thinking about it ))
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