"Guru of Ganja" (Ed Rosenthal) convicted of marijuana cultivation

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 01/31/03 | DAVID KRAVETS

[MikalM]

A federal jury Friday found Ed Rosenthal, the author of how-to-grow books on marijuana and how to avoid the law, guilty of marijuana cultivation and conspiracy charges.

Deliberating for a day, the 12-member jury concluded that Rosenthal, the self described "Guru of Ganja," was growing more than 1,000 plants, conspiring to cultivate marijuana and maintaining a warehouse for a growing operation. He faces a maximum life term when sentenced June 4.

[Kevin Curry]

Quit hyperventilating and tell me one "thing" that prevents you from blowing dope.

[Kevin Curry]

I have no "group". Please rephrase.

Would you consider yourself defamed if someone accused you of blowing dope?

[philman_36]

Quit hyperventilating and tell me one "thing" that prevents you from blowing dope.
I'm not hyperventilating. I see that you're having problems forming a complete question though. You suffering from oxygen deprivation?
The desire to not be incarcerated is one "thing" that prevents me from "blowing dope".
Your "blowing dope" euphamism should be stated succinctly as smoking marijuana, as that is what I presume you to mean, but I know you like the all encompassing term you use.
Does that satisfy you?

[philman_36]

Would you consider yourself defamed if someone accused you of blowing dope?
To accuse someone is to defame them.
Can you rephrase?

[Stew Padasso]

"Would you consider yourself defamed if someone accused you of blowing dope?"

Personally, I wouldn't give a rats @ss. Especially if it came from a message board leech.

[Kevin Curry]

The desire to not be incarcerated is one "thing" that prevents me from "blowing dope".

So, you choose not to blow dope (i.e., smoke marijuana) because in your judgment it presents an unacceptable risk of landing you in jail. But you could just as easily choose to blow dope despite the risk, just as Danconia 55 apparently does. So the threat of jail doesn't prevent you from blowing dope at all. It merely influences your voluntary decision to make one choice over the other.

Now, name one "thing" that prevents you from blowing dope--something that deprives you of your voluntary choice.

And you still haven't answered my other question. Would you consider yourself defamed if someone accused you of smoking marijuana?

[Kevin Curry]

Talk to your bud' philman_36. He believes it is defamatory to accuse someone of smoking marijuana.

[Stew Padasso]

I don't know Philman. Maybe you could introduce us?

[Ken H]

Which, if any of them, do you oppose.

I wouldn't oppose any of them as State laws. Under the Tenth Amendment, States are given wide latitude for enacting laws concerning both crime and moral behavior.

The problem comes when the Federal government legislates moral behaviors. It then becomes a one size fits all policy over what types of morality should be legislated and what level of punishment is appropriate.

I'd prefer the Federal government stick with national defense, foreign policy, and a few other powers named in Article I.

It certainly has no business dealing with, environmental policies, vice, education, health care, welfare or retirement.

[Roscoe]

Or do you think I wrote the headline?

Wrote them? You seemingly couldn't even manage to read them.

[philman_36]

So, you choose not to blow dope (i.e., smoke marijuana) because in your judgment it presents an unacceptable risk of landing you in jail.
Well, DUH! Isn't that common sense.
You yourself limit your activities so that you don't stand the unacceptable risk of incarceration don't you?
But you could just as easily choose to blow dope despite the risk, just as Danconia 55 apparently does.
I'm not Danconia 55. Do you make your own choices in life or do you have others make them for you?
So the threat of jail doesn't prevent you from blowing dope at all. It merely influences your voluntary decision to make one choice over the other.
I don't follow your reasoning at all. Yes, the threat of incarceration does prevent me from smoking marijuana. Incarcerations, fine, fees, court costs...all of the things also associated with that incarceration.
I'm surely prevented from doing as I choose by the threat of incarceration for something that is "against the law".
Now, name one "thing" that prevents you from blowing dope--something that deprives you of your voluntary choice.
I already have!
Would you consider yourself defamed if someone accused you of smoking marijuana?
To accuse someone is to defame them.
Don't bother rephrasing. I've answered you.

[Roscoe]

I'll take that as a concession.

[Kevin Curry]

Shake hands with philman_36. He's at #244.

I popped into this thread and asked some very good questions. You have evaded the questions, not answered them. That's a testament to the bankruptcy of your pathetic, snivelleing objections.

You children aren't worth wasting any more time on.

[CWOJackson]

How so positively libertarian. The nation is on the brink of war and we just witnessed the destruction of the Space Shuttle...none of which slows the lp'ers down from their constant battle.

Did they at least have a moment of silence?

[philman_36]

He believes it is defamatory to accuse someone of smoking marijuana.
To me it is defamatory to simply accuse someone of anything. To prove something about someone else is something altogether different.
If you say that someone smokes marijuana (accuse them, defaming them in the process of the accusation) you should be able to prove it with evidence (making it something other than an accusation), not just say it.

[philman_36]

Who are you addressing with your ramblings?

[Kevin Curry]

But none of them uses dope! In fact, at least one of them believes it is defamatory to be accused of using dope. Yet they spend every spare minute and hour posting these idiotic pro-dope threads and caterwauling and screeching about some supposed lack of liberty to smoke marijuana.

And you're right. I haven't run across many of them posting at the Challenger threads. The world could split down the middle and they would still be posting their silly little pro-dope screeds as the half of the planet they are on careens into the sun.

But I have more important things to do. Heck, trimming my toenails is more important. I'm out of here.

[philman_36]

I'll take that as a concession.
I took yours quite a while ago.

[Roscoe]

So who is keeping [DAnconia55] from blowing dope?

"According to the United States Sentencing Commission and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, more than 99 out of every 100 marijuana arrests are made under state law, rather than under federal law."

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2002/bills/house/H-645.HTM

[philman_36]

He believes it is defamatory to accuse someone of smoking marijuana.
You obviously think there is nothing at all wrong with merely accusing somebody of something.