Posted on 01/31/2003 3:28:07 PM PST by MikalM
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Quoting Dr. Seuss???
Pardon me, nopardons. It was an analogy. I'll try not to use such modern sophisticated concepts with you in the future. Perhaps I can find a version of Babelfish that can translate my posts into grunts and squeaks for you.
I'm in favour of the death penalty for abuse of colour of law. A thorough, thoughtful gardening.
That sounds a bit unfair. One should be allowed to proffer any defense one wants to, and let the jury decide if it is exculpatory.
A man once broke his arm. Rather than seek out a wise and experienced medical doctor to set and help heal the broken arm, he decided to just fiddle with it and fix it according to how he thought it should be fixed and healed. Now, how much more important than a broken arm is a broken soul?
Should we just remove all warning signs and fences from the edges of sheer cliffs, and just allow people to decide for themselves if playing near them is foolish or not?
Such quotes by Paul lead most reasonable people to question whether he was really a "man of God". Governments were not/are not established by God. God didn't establish the Soviet Union, Communist China, Cuba, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, etc. Such a comment has no basis in reality.
Its really interesting that Chirst warned of false prophets comming in his name, and not too long after his death, along come Saul, er, I mean Paul.
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
* C. S. Lewis (1898-1963)
It is not apples and oranges. The precedents being set by the WOsD's that throw the 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th Amendments out the window by EO and legislation from the bench will eventually be used to apply federal gun laws and other laws. The unratified 17th Amendment has usurped the Constitutional authority of the State making it powerless to enact and enforce its own laws as proscribed by the Constitution and powerless to defend against unConstitutional laws applied against it by the fedgov.
The rule of law by Constitution is dead. The law is made and applied by courts, legislations and EO's and PDD's with no true recourse. What recourse is there when the USSC simply refuses to hear a case? What recourse is there when the USSC redefines the meaning of the Constitution at its pleasure?
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself." - Thomas Paine
You have done your duty to defend this nation from its physical enemies, and I thank you for that, but you now abdicate your responsibility to defend the very principles this nation was founded upon. Having allowed and promoted the rotting of this nation from within your service will have been in vain. Liberty defended only for those you feel are worthy of it is no liberty at all but a prison of your own making. When the things you find worthy of defending from taxation, regulation and prohibition come under the jealous eye of the almighty fedgov no one will step forward to defend you.
At present no court in this nation below the Supreme Court allows the 2nd Amendment to be cited in defense of the act of keeping and bearing a firearm. The law of the lower jurisdiction rules by disallowing Constitutional argument. The reverse has been applied in Ed Rosenthal's case, the law of the State is barred from federal court as irrelevant by dint of jurisdiction. All quite legal.
Hang on to your gun. But I advise you to never admit that you have it ever again. One stroke of the Presidents pen may make you a felon. Mention of possession of a firearm may soon make you guilty of a hate crime. Children are already being trained that even an image of a gun is a hateful thing. WOD precedent makes possession of a prohibited thing sufficient cause for forfeiture of all your real property. The WOsD's has also brought us the noknock warrant. Put another way - an unannounced inspection of a citizens premises based on suspicion. The WOsD's has done away with the need for probable cause and warrant secured by affadavit. Your neighbor will simply call the unofficial "TIPs" line and say "I think I heard him talking about guns with a friend."
None of this is outrageous now. It has already been made acceptable by precedent. There is no hew and cry about no knock warrants. No hew and cry about midnight visits from black suited warriors. No question that mere implication must certainly imply guilt. And the need for unquestioned surveillance has been established and accepted. All paved by the WOsD's.
Did you say something about believing in God? You fool. Only a few years ago the FBI circulated a tip sheet to local PD's of things to look for when making a stop that included Bibles as indicators of possible rightwing terrorist involvement.
I see your idea of a "warning sign" is the loss of liberty. What an altruist you are.
Morality imposed and compelled by force is not morality at all.
"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison
Here's a hint for you: does the force Madison speaks of impose morality, or enforce the law? Is there a difference between the two?
"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison
Willful ignorance is crippling.
Willful ignorance is crippling.
Obviously.
An apt description of the juvenile "philosophy" you espouse.
"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison
"It was a general depository of contraband goods. The Parliament found the evil so great, as to render it necessary to wrest it out of the hands of its possessor.""The honorable gentleman says that it is a government of force. If he means military force, the clause under consideration proves the contrary. There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all."
-- James Madison
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