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I just gave you Rom 12:9. It was hidden in the post, though. Maybe you didn't see it.

I just thought you were giving me an off-the-cuff response and hadn't considered it. Look at the verses preceding and following it. Verse 9 is a summary of the duties of Christians toward one another and how Christians should conduct themselves in Christian fellowship.

Are you seriously suggesting that verse 9 in telling us to "abhor that which is evil, cleave to that which is good" is somehow equivalent to "hate the sin, love the sinner"? What about the beginning of the verse: "Let love be without dissimulation."?

I really don't see how you get from that verse, in its proper context, to saying it applies to evangelizing godless sodomites and being allowed to hate their sin while loving them.

I don't think Romans 12:9 proves the clichè. Got anything more direct? Hey, we Calvinists at least have our predestination verses even if you won't agree with us on what they mean.

Maybe I'm just easily annoyed by some of these churchy clichès. I think Falwell was responsible for this one, at least, that's where I heard it first and he keeps repeating it.

I think Falwell was responsible for this one, at least, that's where I heard it first and he keeps repeating it.

Actually, this expression appears to have originated with that proto-Calvinist Augustine. Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum. "With love for man and hatred of sins". From his monastic rule and/or his Letter 211 (J.-P. Migne (ed.) _Patrologiae Latinae_ (1845), vol. 33).

Falwell keeps repeating it because it's the one and only statement that's permitted to be spoken on TV that in any way reflects negatively on homosexuality.

For that reason, I can live with it, realizing its roots lie not in the Bible, but in politically-correct airtime.

Even abortion is not as sacrosanct as the gay agenda, though they both spring from the same desire to exterminate life.