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Elizabeth Smart--New Suspect, New Thread
Larry King Live; KUTV; Salt Lake Tribune; etc. ^ | December 23, 24, 25, 2002 | Various

Posted on 12/26/2002 2:56:18 PM PST by Palladin

KING: All right, let's talk about the Elizabeth Smart case, which the media has kind of left now. What is your best read on that tragedy in Utah?

WALSH: I spent yesterday by coincidence with Ed and Lois Smart. I had them on "The John Walsh Show" to kind of give an update to the case. You know, Ricci, the guy that was the main suspect, died in prison of an aneurysm. He's the guy that was the handyman at the house that put 1,000 miles on his pickup truck during the two days that she was missing. He was a burglar. He also had a rap sheet, which a lot of the media doesn't understand. He spent 10 years in jail. He tried to blow the head off of a cop with a shotgun. This is a real bad guy.

I hope that he didn't take the secret of Elizabeth Smart to the grave with him. I talked to Ed and Lois yesterday. I said, don't give up hope. Justice delayed isn't justice denied.

What's killing them is the fact of the not knowing. I think they're prepared for the worst. Most parents of missing children are prepared for the worst. But their young daughter has now said that she believes that Ricci wasn't the guy in there that night, that it may have been another guy that did some work on their roof, an itinerant guy that worked at a homeless shelter, and he may be a suspect in this. And I don't want to give away a lot of breaking information here, but "America's Most Wanted" is going to take a look at the Smart case, because I know one thing, we have been able to solve crimes after 10 years.

So I gave the Smarts, you know, the best encouragement I could and said, look, don't give up hope. We'll relook at the case. It is normal for the media tension to die down, and to try to have a good holiday. This is going to be the first Christmas without this beautiful girl, and the Smarts have five other beautiful children. So they're trying to hold that family together.

I said, you know, do the best you can with your five children. Don't give up hope, and, you know what, we'll take another look at this case and try to keep it alive.

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KEYWORDS: amw; briandavidmitchell; elizabethsmart; missingchild; newsuspect
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Comment #181 Removed by Moderator

To: lakey
What are you, a frustrated wannabe cop, going around snooping, "casing" the Smarts' neighborhood, playing Sherlock? Talk about dumb!

No. I'm just a father with two daughters near the ages of MC and Liz. A father who has a tremendous amount of compassion for the Smart family. A father who had some free time in SLC a few months ago and wanted to get a feel for some of the FR speculation awhile ago about there being a "back road" that was accessible by 4WD - which there isn't. A father who would personally love to pull the plug on the perp(s) in this case and others where the abduction of a child is concerned.

182 posted on 01/11/2003 6:10:38 PM PST by Jolly Green
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To: FR_addict; All
Looking at the tape again, the appearance of the paper seems be a Xerox copy. I cannot imagine the police would not take the original as evidence.

Neth Moul's Garage Work Order #1421, dated 5/28/02 - looks like to me.

Mileage 134,321

? License 843LK?

1990 Jeep

Tune up

2 lines are indecipherable

Lube

Fuel pump

Note car pick up

NM (indecipherable) No pay

Car return out (?) 6//8/02 (yes, there are two slashes, making it appear to be 6/18/02

Our S I I m no pass 3500

The amount for the work written is either $250 or $750, can't decipher.

I taped on slow, which doesn't give a crisp picture. ____________________________________________________________

After the reporter talked with Moul, a police officer was interviewed. He admitted they didn't have enough evidence against Ricci, so they arrested him "on a parole violation."

During the course of speaking with this officer, he also said that they didn't believe Angela was the woman who called Moul's.

So, who was the woman?

184 posted on 01/11/2003 7:54:25 PM PST by lakey
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To: Platero
Sherlock has said that Moul commented on Ricci not looking him in the eye. He kept his profile to Moul.

I used to go with a guy who had the profile of Paul Newman. Frontal view, he was not Paul Newman. Had nicer, bluer eyes, though.

185 posted on 01/11/2003 8:00:55 PM PST by lakey
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To: brigette
Your # 152 & 155:

I believe it has been said that Ricci was fired & re-hired. Can't recall the dates. Ricci claimed innocence, but Ed said that they just couldn't have Ricci back in their home. Perhaps it was the 2nd time Ricci was hired - I do not know for certain.

Then, there's the time Ed went to Rick's apartment (before he married Angela?) & found the Jeep's engine running. He was going to drive it off?

I say these things, not knowing that they are the absolute truth. There have been many, many rumors and contradictions.

But, back to TRUSTING the workmen, I can't go along with that. A year before, Ricci admitted to entering the Smart home. Sue Adams had a break-in.

You'd have to be the most gullible of people to trust the workmen with keys. A foreman, perhaps, yes. Maybe, if he was a licensed contractor.

I kinda have a hard time with Lois' statement last night on the alarm never being set - because, if the kids got up in the night, their movement would set it off. Well, isn't that the idea of an alarm, to keep strangers out and your children in? If it was too touchy, have it fixed or buy a new one.

This was not a neighborhood untouched by crime.

Your theory on the upside down "U" - passing stuff out of the house may have been the reason for the screen being cut. I'd still think there would be fibers on the screen because of the narrowness of the window.

Yes, I remember us theorizing on what was taken from the house. At one point, we thought MC said the perp took Elizabeth into a bathroom. Being a teenager, Elizabeth may have wanted to take some personal hygiene items. We still don't know for sure.

Thanks for being so sweet and patient with me.

186 posted on 01/11/2003 8:55:58 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey
During the course of speaking with this officer, he also said that they didn't believe Angela was the woman who called Moul's.

You note they also didn't say WHY they didn't think Angela was the woman or say anything about who they thought it might have been. I would guess they know she was the caller but they want her to think otherwise or they can't prove it and want more evidence like they didn't want to arrest her husband until Liz showed up or her body was found. Maybe she has threatened to sue them already anyway.

I noted the 5/28 date so Moul did have it from 5/28-30. I know you don't get this lakey but Angela admitted on LKL she called and checked on the white Jeep with the electronic fuel pump, this is what they had to have repaired for it to be running so they could take it out of the shop, Ricci originally had to tow it in.

187 posted on 01/11/2003 9:44:37 PM PST by Sherlock
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To: lakey
Sherlock has said that Moul commented on Ricci not looking him in the eye. He kept his profile to Moul.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING OF THE LIKE!!! I have never said Ricci didn't look him the eye. I have never said he kept his profile to Moul. I have never heard anyone else make either of these allegations. The closest thing I've ever said to this is Moul said he wasn't his normal conversational self and he could tell something was really wrong, like Ricci was nervous and in some kind of big trouble.

If you are a liar, lakey, please quit lying. Maybe you're just so zealous to protect this ex-con scumbag you admire so highly you really think you hear these things.

Believe me though, lakey, the police, the Smarts, and anyone that reads this thread with one ounce of sense knows the facts surrounding where Ricci went with the Jeep, what he did with the seat covers, the two trash bags, and the post hole digger he took out of it, the fact he won't admit he ever had it, or tell who picked him up driving a blue SUV, are evidence he has all the answers to Liz's disappearance and the dirtball took what he knew to his grave.

188 posted on 01/11/2003 10:00:46 PM PST by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Quite to the contrary of lakey's latest disinformation, Moul has said that there is absolutely no doubt it was Richard Ricci that returned the Jeep to his shop on June 8.
189 posted on 01/12/2003 10:46:41 AM PST by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock; All; Platero; Jolly Green; Utah Girl; lakey; varina davis; Calcetines; brigette; ...
See this thread about a tip that Eliz. has been seen in Washington State:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/821287/posts

190 posted on 01/12/2003 12:43:15 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Palladin
Bringing this over, for the sake of convenience:

Note brings search for missing Utah teen to Wash. State (Elizabeth Smart)

King 5 Seattle ^ | 01/11/2003 | SUSAN WYATT


01/11/2003

By SUSAN WYATT / KING5.com

KIRKLAND, Wash. – The nationwide search for a missing teenage girl from Utah comes to Western Washington after a note is found that says she's now living in the Kirkland area. Police are now trying to figure out if the note is a hoax or a genuine tip.

The King County Sheriff’s Dept. obtained a note indicating that Elizabeth Smart, who was abducted from her Salt Lake City home last June, is in the Kirkland area. Police are now trying to figure out if this is a hoax or a genuine tip.

Explorer Scouts for the King County Sheriff’s Department fanned out in Kirkland on Saturday to distribute flyers asking for help from anyone who may have information about the note or the girl’s whereabouts.

Elizabeth Smart In late November, a handwritten note, that, according to police, has the writing of a 12-year-old, was found at the back door of a Shell gas station in the Totem Lake area of Kirkland.

In it, the writer claims to be a friend of Elizabeth Smart, declaring the missing teenager is alive and well and happily living in Kirkland, and that she does not want to be contacted.

The writer also says that Smart goes with the author and others to the Brickyard Road Park & Ride at Interstate 405 & 160th each weekday at about 5 a.m. to go jogging.

KING Explorer Scouts for the King County Sheriffs Department fanned out in Kirkland on Saturday to distribute flyers. Police admit they are very suspicious about this, but they added there was something in the letter that caught their attention. They were not disclosing that piece of information.

"We don't believe there's any authenticity to the letter, but there is just enough detail to the letter we can't just ignore it and let it go away,” said Sgt. Kevin Fagerstrom.

Smart disappeared from her bedroom in Salt Lake City on June 5, 2002. Her then 9-year-old sister, Mary Katherine, the sole witness, told police a gunman abducted the teen around 1 a.m. The unknown suspect is described as a White male, approximately 30 to 40 years old, 5'8" to 5'10", with dark hair. He also had hair on his arms and the back of his hands. He was wearing a light-colored jacket, light-colored baseball cap, and dark shoes.

Elizabeth Smart would now be 15, the same age as Amanda Puddy, who's trying to help find the Utah girl.

"It's kind of scary knowing that she's my age and that she's gone, but it feels really good to know I'm helping someone who really needs the help, knowing our efforts could actually help find her ... that's a good feeling," said Puddy.

If you have information about the case you are asked to call the Salt Lake City Police Dept. Communications center at 801-799-INFO (4636). If anonymity is desired, that can be arranged by calling: 801-799-INFO (4636). The FBI Tip Line number is 800-932-0190. The King County Sheriff’s Office number is 206-296-3311.


191 posted on 01/12/2003 12:54:54 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Palladin
My guess would be that this note was written by Bella. (Does Bella live in the state of Washington?) Thanks for the post, though.
192 posted on 01/12/2003 1:24:25 PM PST by Sherlock
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To: Palladin
See this thread about a tip that Eliz. has been seen in Washington State:

It's entirely possible this is for real.

194 posted on 01/12/2003 3:37:14 PM PST by varina davis
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To: All
In fact, it sounds very plausible.
195 posted on 01/12/2003 3:38:45 PM PST by varina davis
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To: Jolly Green
You are totally ignoring the simple fact that it is precisely Ricci's MO.

And you, JG, are a prisoner of paradigms.

196 posted on 01/12/2003 3:41:19 PM PST by varina davis
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To: varina davis
And you, JG, are a prisoner of paradigms.

You, varina, are certainly no prisoner of logic!

197 posted on 01/12/2003 5:39:23 PM PST by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
You're still the same *** as you always were.
198 posted on 01/12/2003 5:51:55 PM PST by Bella
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To: varina davis
http://www.king5.com/video/index.jsp?SID=3634767
199 posted on 01/12/2003 5:52:27 PM PST by Bella
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To: varina davis
It's entirely possible this is for real.

It wouldn't surprise me.

200 posted on 01/12/2003 5:53:37 PM PST by Bella
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