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Newsbrief: Paramilitary Drug Raid Tactics Anger Eugene Residents
DRCNet ^ | 12/13/02 | DRCNet

Posted on 12/13/2002 1:57:36 PM PST by Pahuanui

Eugene, Oregon's, Whiteaker neighborhood sounded like a war zone around dawn on October 17, and residents are fighting mad. It wasn't a terrorist attack, though, just another example of a drug war run amok. Police serving a search warrant for an alleged marijuana grow enlisted an armored personnel carrier and 45 SWAT team officers armed with shotguns and automatic rifles to raid a cluster of houses in Whiteaker.

But after throwing flash-bang grenades, kicking in doors, and handcuffing four people -- including one nude woman and one woman dressed only in underpants and a t-shirt -- for hours in a room in one of the houses, police came up empty-handed. Police also admitted to placing a black bag over one of the women's head until she agreed to cooperate with them, the Eugene Register-Guard reported on December 5.

Neighbors are not impressed. Since the raid six weeks ago, resentment has only mounted. "It was completely inappropriate to have that kind of militaristic action there," said Whiteaker Community Council president Majeska Seese-Green. "We don't want it to happen in Whiteaker again, or any other neighborhood," she told the Register-Guard. The community council will issue a formal statement condemning the raid, she added. Seese-Green and three other residents also took the complaints to the Eugene Police Commission, where they questioned the wisdom and safety of such raids.

Not that the police are listening. Instead, officers involved trotted out their tired old excuses for treating the people they are supposes to serve and protect as if they were enemy combatants. "We rely on the element of surprise and speed," said Captain Steve Swenson, head of special operations for the Eugene Police Department. "The third element is the overwhelming display of force when you come through the door," he added, sounding more like Colin Powell preparing to invade Iraq than a police officer making a marijuana bust.

Except it was a marijuana bust that wasn't. No drugs were found, nor any weapons, nor have any formal charges been filed against the victims of the raid. Police have returned all items seized, and the county DA told the Register-Guard the case won't go to the grand jury unless more evidence is developed. Oops.


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To: HELLRAISER II
Margarine is the work of the devil. Butter is best. Must cook with Butter. Buter is best. :->
21 posted on 12/13/2002 2:34:23 PM PST by Karsus
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To: robowombat
I give it 10 minutes before the 'if you are poor you do not have all the rights of middle-class people' poster show up.
22 posted on 12/13/2002 2:35:45 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Pahuanui
The only way to fight this kind of gross incompetence and abuse is to sue the living hell out of the PD and city. After a few multi-million dollar judgements, the Kevlar cowboys will be reigned in by the politicos. If they had been going into a very dangerous area known to be filled with heavily armed gangstas, I could understand the need to use a SWAT team - but an APC? Hell, why not a AC-130 gunship next time? This is way over the top.
23 posted on 12/13/2002 2:42:00 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: robowombat
...it is unlikely that the police would have conducted operations more suited to the IDF tackling a suspected terrorist cell than a drug bust if the venue had been a mostly wide upper middle class development.

It may or may not happen more often in poor neighborhoods. But it doesn't happen only in poor neighborhoods. Donald Scott, heir to the Scott Paper fortune, was killed in a "drug" raid because the L.A. County Sheriff wanted his $6 million house. Poor people can't supply the LEOs with the Jaguars, Vettes and Beemers they like so much.

In the mid 90s, USA Today had a weekly summary on Wednesdays of the "asset forfeitures" (no charges or guilty verdicts needed) by the feds. The average for the 3 or 4 weeks I kept track was over $16 million. Since then, more and more local, county and state agencies have joined the gravy train. (Witness LA's recent "anti-prostitution" decree.) Can't imagine what the weekly take is now.

24 posted on 12/13/2002 2:59:16 PM PST by jackliberty
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To: libertarian guy
would you please add me to the WOD ping list?

By placing Wod_list in the to: header of a reply I indexed the thread to the Wod_list bump list. Follow the link and scroll down to the Wod_list to link to the thread archive, then check back for new additions.
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
25 posted on 12/13/2002 3:11:18 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: libertarian guy; vin-one
Hi LG. In addition to the bump list page you were referred to, a few of us also maintain a ping list so you are notified personally of threads of this type. I've gone ahead and added you. Vin, please do the same. Thanx.
26 posted on 12/13/2002 4:53:40 PM PST by jmc813
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping
27 posted on 12/13/2002 4:55:18 PM PST by jmc813
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To: MrB
It would be funny if the consequences and the implications weren't so horrendous.

The reality of it is horrifying, but you have to admit, there's nothing funnier than watching some jackass unknowingly recreate one of the funniest comedy skits in history.

28 posted on 12/13/2002 6:53:09 PM PST by dead
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To: dead; Kevin Curry; Dane; Texaggie79
Bump for useful comments and then there are the drug warriors... as useless as (--fill in the blanks--)
29 posted on 12/13/2002 8:49:08 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Pahuanui
You can worry about the JBTs. Rational Americans will worry about the drug-crazed loons who assault and steal to satisfy their habits.

You stand a greater chance of getting struck by lightning while bathing than you do of being rousted by JBTs.

Unless you're using dope.

30 posted on 12/13/2002 8:55:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: TXBubba
No sir . It is not the future if you are reading about it today .
31 posted on 12/13/2002 9:01:49 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: Kevin Curry
Ahem... This was a drug-warrior SWAT team. No drugs were found. No SIGNS of drugs were found. This sort of raid grows increasingly more common. Now, just WHO are we threatened by, again, drug-warrior-boy?
32 posted on 12/13/2002 9:21:48 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc
alleged marijuana

I would not defend such tactics for something as harmless as pot...

33 posted on 12/13/2002 9:44:08 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Pahuanui
lol...are you guys reduced to getting "news" stories written by pro legalist websites?

Look, here is who your heroes are:

Board of Advisors for DRCNet (where this "news" story came from):

Rick Doblin
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
Charlotte, NC

Alternate job description: I get stoned in my mom's basement every night...

Kevin Gray
ACLU National Board; former campaign manager, Jesse Jackson and Tom Harkin
Columbia, SC

Ooooh boy. This guy is a staunch conservative. You guys have hitched your wagons to a good 'un.

Mike Gray
author, screenwriter
Los Angeles, CA

La la land....

Jon Holmes
ACLU of Massachusetts Drug Policy Task Force
Boston, MA

Hmmm....ACLU, Massachusetts. Isn't this a bastion of conservatism?

Mario Lap
Foundation for Drug Policy & Human Rights
Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Look! He's from the stoner Mecca. You just know he's got some fair and impartial advisories.

Tod Mikuriya, M.D.
San Francisco, CA

Tod. San Francisco. 'Nuff said.

Why don't you guys quit pretending you're conservatives and be brave enough to come out of the closet and admit that your flaming liberals? If it walks like a duck...

34 posted on 12/13/2002 11:04:49 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Pahuanui
Over the sounds of heavy machinegun fire being sprayed into a nearby senior citizens' residential center, Captain Swenson went on to point out: "Anyone who runs is a marijuana grower. Anyone who stands still is well-disciplined marijuana grower!"
35 posted on 12/14/2002 1:28:24 AM PST by Imal
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To: DouglasKC
From the Eugene Register-Guard: Neighbors call tactics in drug raid militaristic.

Now, just what, exactly, was your point?

36 posted on 12/14/2002 1:33:17 AM PST by Imal
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To: jackliberty
True enough that government is increasingly behaving in the mode Marx (in one of his few valid generalizations) called the Asiatic mode of external plunder and internal confiscation. However, unlike the robber baron activities you discuss which are focused on affluent targets this operation was a general sweep of a community using some search warrants as a thinly disguised cover for an operation aimed at general intimidation and terrorization. That is what is hard to imagine happening in a mostly white upper middle class suburb. Given governments apetite for power and the control obsessed mentality of bureaucrats both civilian and law enforcement these sorts of operations may well be part of the larger society in the near term. I can only imagine the uses 'Homeland Security' will be put to.
37 posted on 12/14/2002 4:33:20 AM PST by robowombat
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To: jackliberty; MrLeRoy; Hemingway's Ghost; jmc813; Xenalyte; philman_36
Donald Scott, heir to the Scott Paper fortune, was killed in a "drug" raid because the L.A. County Sheriff wanted his $6 million house.

Actually, the county wanted Scott's land, totaling hundreds of acres, which abutted a State Forest. For years he wouldn't sell, so they ginned up the drug raid. As for the house, when Mr. Scott's widow wouldn't settle out of court, it mysteriously burned to ground. Just a conincidence I'm sure. (She settled shortly after that. I'll give her credit for seeing the writing on the wall and not ending up dead herself).

38 posted on 12/14/2002 7:46:41 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Nick Thimmesch; All; Admin Moderator
I received this response in my private freepmail:

Hey dude: my "conservative" credentials are intact. Why don't you be a "man" and call me at my office anytime Monday thru Friday 9:00 Am to 1:00 PM and I'll explain to you why you are an ashole. Nicholas Thimmesch, Communications Director, NORML (xxx)xxx-xxxxx.

My response:

1. If you have something to say to me then please say it to me in a public forum. I will not put up with implied or actual threats.

2. Please understand that my definition of being a "man" doesn't involve calling you up so you can practice using swear words on me.

3. The last time I heard someone say something similar to me was like...dude...25 years ago in high school.

4. Those are some pretty nice office hours. Do you have classes before and afterwards you need to attend? Anger management? Freshman calc?

5. NORML - National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Conservative? Hah! If anyone considers themselves a true conservative on these issues look who you are in bed with.

6. If you're a "Communications Director" and truly want your threat to have maximum effect then you should at least learn how to spell your insult correctly.

Admin Moderator: Please note my objection to receiving this from Nicholas Thimmesch.

39 posted on 12/14/2002 8:08:28 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Imal
From the Eugene Register-Guard: Neighbors call tactics in drug raid militaristic.
Now, just what, exactly, was your point?

I didn't say it didn't happen. It was creatively rewritten by the website. And since drug legalization is a liberal leftist issue then as a conservative I am not surprised that the liberal leftist press puts the same bias and spin into their story.

40 posted on 12/14/2002 8:11:02 AM PST by DouglasKC
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