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To: B. Rabbit
"The right to individual freedom is absolute, for without this freedom he is a slave."

Thanks for taking time to spell out briefly your philosophical take on the questions. I don't see anything in there that strikes me as wildly unreasonable.

There's a bit of a nub that comes into the picture, though, and that is how we attach the moral equivalent of " good" to freedom, and the moral equvalent of "bad" to slavery. This is done with a great amount of consistency throughout history.

It is it really fair to say that Stalin was "wrong" in taking away other people's rights if the moral standard is rendered from each human "existing as his own entity?" In that case ""One man's freedom is another man's slavery" and there's really no need to be concerned about it.

3,003 posted on 01/05/2003 3:09:28 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
how we attach the moral equivalent of " good" to freedom, and the moral equvalent of "bad" to slavery

It is a difficult question that is tough to answer, but I don't think that anybody will argue against it. It is self-evident, maybe? It is like saying the sun will rise tomorrow. Freedom is "good".

"One man's freedom is another man's slavery"

This point however isn't fair. There is no "freedom/slavery" pendulum. One man's freedom does not necessarily mean another's slavery. It is immoral to infringe on others' rights, and Stalin definetely fit that bill. Everybody has this absolute right...

3,006 posted on 01/05/2003 3:15:19 PM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: Fester Chugabrew
that is how we attach the moral equivalent of " good" to freedom, and the moral equvalent of "bad" to slavery. This is done with a great amount of consistency throughout history.

I'm confused. Are you saying that slavery has always been considered bad? What is consistent here?

3,007 posted on 01/05/2003 3:15:22 PM PST by js1138
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You can never tighten an evo screw . . .

they are stripped // spun - - -

spin // flip // leap forever . . .

they are glue // truth proof . . .

like greased lightening through a vacuum collection agency - - -

. . . circulating // read - - - in the dead letter office ! ! !

. . . camp 'science' ! ! !

Main Entry: 1camp
Pronunciation: 'kamp
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle French, probably from Old North French or Old Provençal, from Latin campus plain, field
Date: 1528
1 a : a place usually away from urban areas where tents or simple buildings (as cabins) are erected for shelter or for temporary residence (as for laborers, prisoners, or vacationers) < migrant labor camp > b : a group of tents, cabins, or huts < fishing camps along the river > c : a settlement newly sprung up in a lumbering or mining region d : a place usually in the country for recreation or instruction during the summer < goes to camp every July > < computer camp > < football camp >
2 a : a body of persons encamped b (1) : a group of persons; especially : a group engaged in promoting or defending a theory, doctrine, position, or person (2) : an ideological position
3 : military service or life

3,011 posted on 01/05/2003 3:28:58 PM PST by f.Christian
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