Can You Help America?

Self ^ | 11/30/2002 | B4Ranch

[beachn4fun]

That's a good point! That might work for a while, but what happens if the US turns into another country where only the straight-white xxx are a minority? Our government could very well be controlled by people from a third-world who runs this country (whatever it might be at that time) the way they are use to? Paranoid thinking? Maybe! But many people in the US never thought 9-11 could have happened.

[stalin]

politicians don't care what you say anymore than voters should care what they say. They only care how you vote just like voters should only care how they vote.

The only way the voters are going to start to correct this problem is by not voting for anyone that doesn't DO something to stem the tide of illegals.

Noo one from the Mexican states of CA TX AZ or NM are going to ever do anything meaningful to fix this.

The only way to fix it and still somtimes vote for people from the Mexican states is to give them large soft money contributions. That's not going to happen from private individuals. That's not going to happen from companies either. We just can't vote for them until they get the message. That would only take one election cycle.

I understand that I'm being a too strident about sending them home again. That's not going to happen either. plenty of them have become Americans over the years. I wouldn't send them back even if I could but I would send home the 20 million or so that have come over recently.

[stalin]

Please ; they've had much more than enouph time. They never intendend to do anything about the Mexican invasion. They still don't.

[Rytwyng]

People wouldn't tolerate it. Once one state had been lost (probably California will be first), secessionists everywhere of every stripe would be greatly emboldened, and US would fragment into several nations, just as the Roman empire eventually did.

The fragmentation would almost certainly occur along ethnic lines; "white" nations would probably arise in the Pacific Northwest and the mountainous, still-heavily-white regions of the old Confederacy. Possibly a Mormon theocracy would arise in Utah.

The lowland South would probably see a black nation, and the native Hawaiians have been talking about independence for some time now. And, of course, Mexico would probably regain much of the Southwest.

Border warfare would be very ugly. Just think Balkans on a continent wide scale. Possibly the worst of it would be Utah vs Aztlan, as the Mormons are (a) demographically expanding, unlike most whites, (b) very, very heavily armed, and (c) living on a piece of land that the Reconquistadores would very much like to reincorporate into Mexico.

Pray it doesn't happen. But brace yourself. Liberal race baiting may yet bring it about.

[B4Ranch]

So what happens when a Vietnam veteran with a purple heart gets arrested in a raid because he looks 'Mexican'?

Arrested by whom and if you're the person, then freep mail me.

[dalebert]

If no one from Mexican states is going to fix this why would anyone from the other states do any better. What would make it a real issue to them? What makes you so sure non mexican state candidates would do any better. They all promise anything to get elected.

[B4Ranch]

Can't go to bed with this website on 666

[stalin]

Because they don't have as many Mexicans in their state. In the mexican states politicians can't get the nomination without doing what Mexicans want. They are the swing voters because they are conservative in family values yet liberal on socialism. Even thought that vote mostly democrat now Republicans see the future and are kissing Mexican booty big time. Both parties will do whatever the Mexicans want them to do.

CA is even giving undocumented illegals ( Mexican only ) drivers licences now. CA TX NM and AZ are lost to the USA.

To get them back we need politicians from both parties from the other 46 states to do battle with the politicians from the Mexican states. That is the only way we are going to start defending our border again.

[TaxPayer2000]

why cant any US citizen simply make a citizens arrest, and toss em back over the fence?

[stalin]

If that were allowed we would have millions of volunteers out there doing just that. I'd be one of them.

Unfortunately with a citizens arrest you can't even touch the person that you are supposedly arresting anymore.

Pretty stupid huh ?

[dalebert]

I think you will have to add a few more states to your Mexican catagory. I have heard stories about Ark, OK, LA, FL, ect......Are these so called Mex states not to want representation since they are a lost cause? I am in Texas, does that make me no concern of the rest of the nation? What makes you think non Mex state candidates give a hoot about illegas? Whats it to them?If we do like you say then no one will fix the problem. Now get on your soapbox and explain this.

[B4Ranch]

why cant any US citizen simply make a citizens arrest, and toss em back over the fence?

Because our laws ssay that if we as citizens arrest someone , we must turn them over to our LEO's for trial. We do have the power ot arrest but not the power to be judge and jury.

[B4Ranch]

Unfortunately with a citizens arrest you can't even touch the person that you are supposedly arresting anymore.

Yes, you do but you must turn them over to the closest LEO.

[B4Ranch]

Sorry, meant to include this with the previous answer. Think "Bounty Hunter".

[B4Ranch]

You might better quit buying vegetables.

Didn't our mothers and grandmothers can vegetables when we were little? (presuming you are over 50)We can now by canned vegetables all winter long. Fresh salad isn't a must in February.

[stalin]

The Mexican states wont do anything. It will only get worse if they get their way.

The only way the Mexican states will do anything is if people stop voting for candidates that wont do anything to solve the problem. Both republican and democrats in those states have proven over and over again that they will try to pry the border open even more and give the illegals legal status.

I hope that the non-Mexican states get the message before it's too late but I doubt it. You're probably right about them not caring either but if we vote for anyone from the Mexican states then we can be sure that nothing will get done.

[stalin]

Maybe it depends on the State. When I was a security guard in CA we were taught that we could only make citizens arrests because private security guards have no power other than a regular citizen.
Then to my surprise we were taught that it is illegal for us to use any force accept to defend ourselves or others. We could not hold them until police arrived unless they were violent. We could only call the police and wait for them. Of Course we completely ignored that rule by always saying that they appeared to be violent.

[dalebert]

Maybe we need lobbyist to handle this. I know I give a lot to NRA. I could give more to a Pro American Anti Illegal Organization. That seems to be the only way to have a strong voice. You have to be careful not to make these things look racist. I would just like to see the laws we already have enforced.It would be a start.

[dalebert]

Great I idea.lets just wait and see what happens. I am just trying to get a handle on Stalins "don't elect anyone from a border state" train of thought. It seems to me that a really ticked off border state candidate is just the ticket. And of course we all have to be just a little realistic like our president. I am hoping without Gridlock Daschle things will move a little faster.

[stalin]

That's a good idea. We need a PAC that can lobby pay soft money bribes and run TV commercials. You know that they would get sued out of existence for seeming to be racist though.

Enforcing the laws is the responsibility of the executive branch. With a Republican in the Waite house our voice should be heard with more power. Unfortunately he is from a Mexican state. If Republicans saw a 5% fluctuation among core republicans they would do something immediately.

Blind loyally even when your representatives are clea going against the best interests of the nation is a bad thing. This issue is vital to national security and well being. If Bush sees it as an issue that he's got to do something about or loose 5% of Republicans he would tighten the border tomorrow.

If he sees soft money that would other wise be going to him being used to run ads against his kiss Mexican booty policy that policy would change overnight.