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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
And cigarettes are as addictive.

But cigarettes don't cause people to kill people. People can smoke all they want, I don't care.

But in many, many, many cases... alcohol is much more destructive than either. Many alcohol-users drink and drive all the time, causing significant death and destruction.

But the rate of addiction is much higher for hard drugs. All my friends drink, none have killed anyone or been killed. A few of my friends have done drugs, most lost their jobs, one was killed by a dealer. A million people have similar stories as mine. I vote what I know and that's what I know.

But we do not penalize Alcohol users who stay at home, for the actions of those who drink and drive. We don't invade people's homes and smash bottles of Vodka; we punish those who actually drive while drunk.

Yep, because society has decided that alcohol isn't as dangerous as hard drugs.

Sure... but unless you think that it is your responsibility to slay the wicked for their Moral Vices, it is the first advent which is our Life-example as Christians.

No, not totally. In the first advent He was an example to teachers. Turn the other cheek only applies when ministering and you offend someone. We are not to let people treat us as He was treated. He was meant to be sacrificed, we aren't. We're allowed to stand up for ourselves.

You don't believe in breaking in someone's home to enforce the law. What if you lived in the middle of a city and a neighbor was keeping a hydrogen bomb in his garage and said he was going to set it off. Should the police be allowed to break in this person's home and get the bomb? A bomb holder's problem's wouldn't be confined to his home and I feel that too many drug user's problems spill out into the street. I vote accordingly. You feel drug users do a good job of keeping their problems to themselves and you can vote accordingly. We agree to disagree, don't we. I went through this exact same stuff in 1200 posts in two days a month ago and don't feel like going through it again. If you want to see everything I wrote, I'll direct you to those threads if I can find them. Only 1% of the population want to legalize hard drugs and so this argument isn't worth a lot of my time. You're not going to get your way anytime soon. And it's things like this that make me never want to be part of the Libertarian party nor want to be around them if they were to run their own state or nation. Sorry.

186 posted on 10/24/2002 8:01:52 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
But the rate of addiction is much higher for hard drugs. All my friends drink, none have killed anyone or been killed. A few of my friends have done drugs, most lost their jobs, one was killed by a dealer. A million people have similar stories as mine. I vote what I know and that's what I know.

Your friend who was killed by a dealer... he wasn't gunned down in one of those notorious street battles between employees of Rite-Aid and Wal-Mart Pharmacy fighting over Viagra turf, was he? Didn't think so.

Not to be flippant with the memories of the dead, but realize this: Opium was legal (a dutied import, on the regular customs schedule) in the US until 1905 (shortly after Governments began pushing heroin as a "cure" for morphine addiction... oh, great). But legal Pharmacists are not widely known for shooting eachother, or customers, over "turf".

You know it. So... "vote what you know"?

You don't believe in breaking in someone's home to enforce the law. What if you lived in the middle of a city and a neighbor was keeping a hydrogen bomb in his garage and said he was going to set it off. Should the police be allowed to break in this person's home and get the bomb?

What if your neighbor owned a gun?

If he said he was going to shoot you, then the Cops should take an interest.
If he didn't, the cops shouldn't.

Now, of course, as concerns nuclear weapons... I believe that a man should have a sufficient "fence" around his property to contain negative externalities... which renders the "private possession of nuclear weapons" unjustifiable for anyone with less than, say, ten thousand square miles of barren desert at a minimum.

However, the Government doesn't necessarily see it that way. Libertarians have demonstrated this... at least one libertarian has previously declared his intent to build a neutron bomb in downtown New York City (just to see what the Government would do).

Guess what... The Government sent them instructions -- and tried to subsidize them.

A bomb holder's problem's wouldn't be confined to his home and I feel that too many drug user's problems spill out into the street. I vote accordingly. You feel drug users do a good job of keeping their problems to themselves and you can vote accordingly. We agree to disagree, don't we. I went through this exact same stuff in 1200 posts in two days a month ago and don't feel like going through it again. If you want to see everything I wrote, I'll direct you to those threads if I can find them. Only 1% of the population want to legalize hard drugs and so this argument isn't worth a lot of my time. You're not going to get your way anytime soon. And it's things like this that make me never want to be part of the Libertarian party nor want to be around them if they were to run their own state or nation. Sorry.

Majority Vote does not define Truth.

Try as I might, I can't make myself see...

...as being something I could morally Pray to God.

And if I as a Christian can't morally Pray for it...
...Then I as a Christian I can't morally Vote for it.

As always, JMHO. Best, OP

187 posted on 10/24/2002 8:38:26 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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