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Somalis avoid starving to death (much to Roscoe's dismay), but his death prior to the implementation of kritarchy

Kritarchy is in place now, with ad hoc "justice" being dished out by various warrior chiefs.

Here's an example of the kind of justice self-appointed "judges" and lawlessness brings.

Thanks for bringing some facts to the discussion.

I wouldn't stone you. If a person wants to get stoned(no pun intended) and be responsible for the consequences of his action...(meaning you or I or anyone pays for it AND it does not violate the rights of anyone else) let him be, and let it be his own business. ~~ Too many can't keep it to themselves. 160 posted on 10/24/02 12:28 PM Pacific by #3Fan

FWIW, I've always believed that on any Public Commons which exist (though I'd like to Privatize most of the "public commons"), the Taxpayer-Owners have a legal right to set "usage rules" for those Common Properties.

In short, even if society defines Opium as a "hard drug", I don't believe it would be a Moral act for me to break into the (privately-owned) house of some Chinese immigrant, smash through the doors to his basement, and drag him to jail for using this somewhat-traditional Chinese intoxicant.
But ON THE OTHER HAND, I do reserve the right to tell him to keep it off MY streets and sidewalks (as a Taxpayer-Owner thereof)... and to impose Legal Penalties if he does not.

(Incidentally, just to come back to Costa Rica a moment, I might mention in passing that "streets and sidewalks" are perhaps the only place where Costa Rican libertarians break with "traditional" libertarianism, and do advocate Government involvement therein... just FYI).

Kritarchy is in place now, with ad hoc "justice" being dished out by various warrior chiefs. Here's an example of the kind of justice self-appointed "judges" and lawlessness brings.

Kritarchy is NOT "in place" in Somalia now, and your bloviating "argument by assertion" can't make it so.

Anarchy is in place in Somalia now. The difference between Anarchy and Kritarchy is the difference between present-day Somalia, and the Levite Israel of God. You're just too illiterate and obtuse to tell the difference.

After all, if it ain't Stalinism, it's not enough State for Roscoe's liking. (Although Roscoe does think that Islamofascist Shariah Tyranny is "Something to be glad for". ~~ 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe)

["The laws of a kritarchy are not contrived, but are discovered by judges in the course of resolving conflicts that come before them."]

That's a call for the importance of Judicial Rulings in establishing ongoing legal Precedent

Not at all. It's an rejection of established law and a call for "laws" to be "discovered" (invented) by the self-appointed "judges."

It's nothing more than euphemistic cover language for anarchy and Kangaroo Courts.

Not at all. It's an rejection of established law and a call for "laws" to be "discovered" (invented) by the self-appointed "judges." It's nothing more than euphemistic cover language for anarchy and Kangaroo Courts.

Bollocks. Kritarchy is NOT "in place" in Somalia now, and your bloviating "argument by assertion" can't make it so.

Anarchy is in place in Somalia now. The difference between Anarchy and Kritarchy is the difference between present-day Somalia, and the Levite Israel of God. You're just too illiterate and obtuse to tell the difference.

After all, if it ain't Stalinism, it's not enough State for Roscoe's liking. (Although Roscoe does think that Islamofascist Shariah Tyranny is "Something to be glad for". ~~ 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe)

Kritarchy is NOT "in place" in Somalia now

The various bandit chiefs administer "justice" in the areas they control by personal whim. That is kritarchy.

The difference between Anarchy and Kritarchy

Is the difference between having no law and not having any law.

OK. I just think in any population, there is a high percentage of people that cannot keep themselves from getting addicted to things. Cheap and easy to get hard drugs would corrode any society in my opinion and I vote accordingly. I'm not the type that gets addicted to substances and you may not be either, we cound probably both have a little fun with this stuff and not be harmed in the long run. But we're different from a lot of people, most people don't contemplate this stuff like we do. When I go to work, I see a majority of people smoking at the breaks even though half of them are "trying to cut down" but can't. What if it'd been meth instead of tobacco? They wouldn't be working for one thing. Sorry, hard drugs are just too addictive to be made legal, most people don't have their defenses built up like we keep ours built up. In every society there's the 30-30-40 rule. 30% try to do right and stay clean, 30 percent purposely do wrong and 40 percent don't care. Those 70 percent are kept in line by the 30 percent that pay attention.

The various bandit chiefs administer "justice" in the areas they control by personal whim. That is kritarchy. The difference between Anarchy and Kritarchy, Is the difference between having no law and not having any law. 168 posted on 10/24/02 12:49 PM Pacific by Roscoe

Balderdash. "Kritarchy" is nothing less than the Form of Government established by God in Levite Israel. Therefore, you cannot define "kritarchy" to suit your whim; God has already given us the Defining Example of a "Kritarchy".

Kritarchy is the sort of Government established by GOD in Levite Israel.

A society organized strictly in accordance with the Xeer is technically a “kritarchy,” as opposed to a democracy, theocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, or other form of political government. The term, a little-used nineteenth-century word compounded from the Greek, literally means “rule by judges.” Many stateless societies have been kritarchies, including the well-known example of the Old Testament Jews during the time of the Judges.

~~ Spencer Heath MacCallum

Just because you hate God and his Institutions, does not give you the right to vomit your hatred for God all over Free Republic and sing the praises of Islamofascists... (praises well-evidenced by the Pro-Islamofascist statements you have made on this thread):

FACT: -- “Ganesha” posted a Link to the Somaliland Constitution. LINK
FACT -- The Somaliland Constitution enslaved that benighted Country as yet another Repressive Shari'ah Islamic Tyranny.... and you, Roscoe, applaud this.LINK:
FACT: Upon learning of the establishment of a Repressive Shari’ah Islamic Tyranny in Somaliland, Roscoe gave his unreserved blessing to the establishment of yet another breeding ground of Islamofascism -- because at least they’re not Libertarians!! LINK
FACT: In your sociopathic hatred against Liberty and Americanism, Roscoe, you openly celebrate the establishment of more breeding grounds of Islamofascism, and spit on the blood of your murdered fellow-countrymen. And you have the gall to use Free Republic bandwidth to sing the praises of these Islamofascists. Some dare call it Treason.

Fifth Columnist Disruptors like "Roscoe" who openly celebrate the establishment of a Repressive Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny in Somaliland are a treasonous poison to Free Republic.

OK. I just think in any population, there is a high percentage of people that cannot keep themselves from getting addicted to things. Cheap and easy to get hard drugs would corrode any society in my opinion and I vote accordingly. I'm not the type that gets addicted to substances and you may not be either, we cound probably both have a little fun with this stuff and not be harmed in the long run. But we're different from a lot of people, most people don't contemplate this stuff like we do. When I go to work, I see a majority of people smoking at the breaks even though half of them are "trying to cut down" but can't. What if it'd been meth instead of tobacco? They wouldn't be working for one thing. Sorry, hard drugs are just too addictive to be made legal, most people don't have their defenses built up like we keep ours built up. In every society there's the 30-30-40 rule. 30% try to do right and stay clean, 30 percent purposely do wrong and 40 percent don't care. Those 70 percent are kept in line by the 30 percent that pay attention.

I'm not really against Communities (like the Puritans), who together own all the Property in a Community, covenanting together whatever Moral Standards they please and even writing them into the Property Covenants.

But absent that sort of voluntary Covenant, I can't see home-invasion to prevent Opium usage as a Jesus-like Moral Action.

It's a Private Property thing. I've little or no objection to regulations on the Public Commons (I'm a Taxpayer, a part owner), but...

"Please Lord Jesus, bless and sanctify my breaking into this guy's home and putting a gun to his head so he won't smoke opium"...

...Is just a Prayer I can not see, as being something I could morally Pray to God.
And if I can't morally Pray for it, I can't morally Vote for it**.

As always, JMHO. Best, OP

** -- (unless by a Voluntary Unanimous Covenant of the Community, in which case I'm all for it).

"Kritarchy" is nothing less than the Form of Government established by God in Levite Israel.

Your suggestion that Libertarians were seeking the imposition of Levitical law in Somalia is as absurd as the the first time you tried to sneak it by.

In their own words, Libertarians have defined what they mean by Kritarchy: Self-appointed judges unbound by written law who discover and invent the law as they go along.

Here's more on the nature of justice in the almost "ideal anarchy" of Somalia:

Some regions have established local courts that depend on the predominant local clan and associated factions for their authority. The judiciary in most regions relies on some combination of traditional and customary law, Shari'a law, the Penal Code of the pre-1991 Siad Barre Government, or some combination of the three. For example, in Bosasso and Afmadow, criminals are turned over to the families of their victims, which then exact blood compensation in keeping with local tradition. Under the system of customary justice, clans often hold entire opposing clans or sub-clans responsible for alleged violations by individuals.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/somalia.htm

Roscoe, you openly celebrate the establishment of more breeding grounds of Islamofascism

Actually, the Bush administration has put the Somali Islamist movement al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya (“Islamic Unity”) on its list of terrorist organizations.

How would you address that fact?

First of all, after WW II, Germany and Japan were helped by the USA ( history and facts are NOT your strong points, dear ) with the Marshal Plan. Secondly, both were long established nations, filled with people who had great exoertise in all areas. Secondly, this thread is about a LIBERTARIAN commune; not " rebuilding " some old country / establishing a new nation. Thirdly, after WW II, many people thought that the USA wasn't going in the right direction anymore, the world stank, and thought about buying some island and starting their own , new nation . They didn't do it, dear, and neither is anyone else on this thread, or just out there, some place, going to do it either.

The Gold Standard is no longer the backing, of most nation's currency and the Gold Bugs, on FR, don't know what they're talking about. Neither do YOU know / understand anything at all, about anything, that you're talking about. NOT ONE ASPECT OF ANY TOPIC !

It would take me the length of a goodly sized encyclopedia, to explain this all to you, so I shan't do that, nor help fuel your dementia, any longer. What you and those on this thread , are doing with your hypotheticals, is a waste of time, childish, worthless, and does far less to further Conservative thought and the betterment of this country, than almost anything else here. Your abject lack of knowledge, concerning so many things, just proves how silly this whole thing is. You can't stay on topic, are unable to even begin to make your fantasy seem intellectually relevant, and would be better off playing UTOPIA , or some other game. LOL

Ill educated, mentally challenged, case of arrested developement. :^)

They don't stay in their homes.

Secondly, this thread is about a LIBERTARIAN commune; not " rebuilding " some old country / establishing a new nation.

Earlier attempts at "libertarian communes" haven't worked out very well.

‘Once the violent phase of the revolution is over, private property, the state, the principle of authority and therefore the classes that divide people into exploited and exploiters, into oppressed and oppressors, will be abolished.
‘Once wealth is socialised, free producers’ organisations will take over the direct administration of production and consumption.
‘Once the libertarian commune is established in every locality, the new social mechanism will come into play. Producers in every trade or profession, together in their unions and workplaces, will freely determine the form in which this is to be organised.
‘Once the libertarian commune is established, everything belonging to the bourgeoisie will be expropriated such as food, clothing, primary materials, tools, etc. These items should be passed over to the producers who can directly administer them for the benefit of the collective.
http://www.hinet.hr/kosta-krauth/topics/self_management.html

First of all, after WW II, Germany and Japan were helped by the USA ( history and facts are NOT your strong points, dear ) with the Marshal Plan.

Yes I know but who did it isn't important, the fact that it was done proves it can be done. You're saying it can't be done.

Secondly, both were long established nations, filled with people who had great exoertise in all areas.

20 million Americans would have expertise in everything.

Secondly, this thread is about a LIBERTARIAN commune; not " rebuilding " some old country / establishing a new nation.

We're slightly off topic...sue us.

Thirdly, after WW II, many people thought that the USA wasn't going in the right direction anymore, the world stank, and thought about buying some island and starting their own , new nation . They didn't do it, dear, and neither is anyone else on this thread, or just out there, some place, going to do it either.

So you're saying there's no more corruption now than in 1946?

The Gold Standard is no longer the backing, of most nation's currency and the Gold Bugs, on FR, don't know what they're talking about. Neither do YOU know / understand anything at all, about anything, that you're talking about. NOT ONE ASPECT OF ANY TOPIC !

Your opinion. The fact that you can't accept that the United States used a gold standard successfully to establish credit proves you don't know what you're talking about.

It would take me the length of a goodly sized encyclopedia, to explain this all to you, so I shan't do that,...

There is a God.

...nor help fuel your dementia, any longer. What you and those on this thread , are doing with your hypotheticals, is a waste of time, childish, worthless, and does far less to further Conservative thought and the betterment of this country, than almost anything else here. Your abject lack of knowledge, concerning so many things, just proves how silly this whole thing is. You can't stay on topic, are unable to even begin to make your fantasy seem intellectually relevant, and would be better off playing UTOPIA , or some other game. LOL

I still see no solutions from you. How are we going to stop the corruption?

Thanks - I somehow managed to sell an enterprise account yesterday w/a wireless data package, which made me a nice chunk of change (minus the money you big government goons steal).

I guess us neanderthals continue to beat the odds.

Okay, I'm gbreaking what I last said to you ; however, you are so blinkered, that you can't see what's in front of you and like a three year old, just keep right on digging your little heels in, claiming that you're right and that facts don't mean a damned thing. How about using facts, for a change ?

This is a L-I-B-E-R-T-A-R-I-A-N proposition. You want to ignore that. Ignoring it, you still couldn't get 20 million cretins, to go off to some nonexistant, mythical UTOPIA, and reinvent the wheel ! Said 20 million, would NOT have every job / profession / expertise represnted therein. Neither could you get any major business to move in / subsidize the new nation. There is no way on earth, that you could buy enough gold, to back whatever currency " NEW TINFOILIANIA " would use. And on and on and bloody on !

Wanna play games ? Okay ... here's the game, we get every single FREEPER and every member of their extended families and all of their friends and fly off to ... ? Oh, never mind, this is fantasy for little children, so let's just say that we take over the USA. I become " QUEEN OF AMERICA " and have every non-Conservative arrested, lined up and shot. What , people complain because some of their mothers/ fathers/ husbands / wives / children / whatever are in that group ? TOUGH. next, to make you happy, we're back on the Gold Standard. No, wait, I don't care about that, so that's out. But, I'll revamp education, from top to bottom ( and YES, I am VERY knowledgeable about this topic and could do it brilliantly !) and get rid of all unions.

This isn't what you want to hear, I know , but it makes a lot more sense than anything you've written. You don't know the level of people's anger / disgust with the world, after WW II, any more than you know about corruption and what's wrong with things today. Are you even 30 yet ? How many advanced degrees do you have ? If you have any, they aren't in history, economics, politics, pyschology, sociology, government, or English. LOL

Of course you don't see any " solutions " from me ; that's NOT what this thread, or even your very off topic rants are about. Since you've asked ( finally ) , I'll give you the shortest answer. Influence everyone you know and ever run into, to vote GOP, get at least 80 % of all Dems ousted from every single, local, state, and Fed Gov offices, then, work on getting moderate GOPers out of office. That's just for starters ; however, it would go a long way in turning things around. Unlike your juvenile, purile, delusional mental masturbations, this would actualaly do something concrete. :-)