Posted on 10/23/2002 1:04:07 AM PDT by Roscoe
Frustrated by the Libertarian Party's failure to make progress nationally, Jason Sorens GRD '04 decided the best course of action would be to take over Wyoming. Or maybe Alaska.
The plan, which Sorens calls "The Free State Project," is ambitious. It calls for moving 20,000 people -- including the one additional Yalie who has signed on so far -- over the next nine years to a sparsely populated state where they would take to the ballot boxes in order to repeal most drug and gun laws, eliminate the income tax, and privatize most government-run industries.
So in July 2001, he posted an essay on the project on the Internet. Within a few days, he had over 200 e-mails from people who were interested.
"The response was positively overwhelming," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at yaledailynews.com ...
Actually, the American servicemen were murdered and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia, Libertarianism's almost "ideal anarchy."
American forces are reportedly targeted on the the primary threat in the area, which is the Somali Islamist movement, al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya, much to the consternation of apologists for anarchy and enemies of our current administration.
Exactly. Your own quotation PROVES you are lying through your teeth, and you know it. As the citation clearly demonstrates, Somalia was (and is?) a completely uncivilized anarchy which Libertarian Michiel van Notten sought to replace with a Kritarchy -- a Judicial Government predicated on the Rule of Law.
If you are trying to replace anarchy (no government) with kritarchy (Judicial Government), then you are trying to bring the Rule of Law to a country which has none.
Your citation proves this, and proves you are willfully lying -- a blatant Disruptor who spreads fabrications and fraud for the purpose of advancing the Power of the State.
Somalia, more than any nation on earth, fits the vision of Libertarianism's worst ideologues. To them, the children of Somalia are expendable pawns to the cause of "ideal" anarchy.
Yet another blatant lie, from Free Republic's very own Roscoe, a fifth columnist advocate of Islamic Shariah... (see my #139, which notes your praise for the Islamofascist constitution adopted by Somaliland after the "failure" of the libertarian enterprise).
These are the FACTS:
Your sociopathic hatred of Liberty has led you to spit on the blood of your Countrymen, murdered by the thousands on 9/11, and instead celebrate the establishment of another breeding ground for Islamofascism -- because at least they're not Libertarians.
Your whorish cheerleading for the Islamic Shari'ah in Somaliland is an insult to all American Patriots and clearly identifies you as a Fifth Columnist and a Disruptor.
Fifth Columnist Disruptors like "Roscoe" who openly celebrate the establishment of a Repressive Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny in Somaliland are a treasonous poison to Free Republic.
The actual quote: "Somalia was (and is?) an almost ideal anarchy"
Judicial Government predicated on the Rule of Law.
False. Kritarchy is the absence of law and its replacement with "judges" imposing an ad hoc application of libertarianism. In other words, anarchy and kangaroo courts.
Your whorish cheerleading for the Islamic Shari'ah in Somaliland
American servicemen were murdered and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia, Libertarianism's almost "ideal anarchy."
American forces are reportedly targeted on the the primary threat in the area, which is the Somali Islamist movement, al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya, much to the consternation of apologists for anarchy and enemies of our current administration.
...i.e., there was no existing Government in place to prevent the establishment of a Kritarchy, bringing the Rule of Law to a country which had none.
Judicial Government predicated on the Rule of Law. ~~ False. Kritarchy is the absence of law and its replacement with "judges" imposing an ad hoc application of libertarianism. In other words, anarchy and kangaroo courts.
False. "Kritarchy" is the sort of Government that God established in Levite Israel -- which you call "the absence of law, anarchy and kangaroo courts".
You do not have to vomit your hatred for God all over the Free Republic Forum, Roscoe. It's most unseemly.
American forces are reportedly targeted on the the primary threat in the area, which is the Somali Islamist movement, al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya, much to the consternation of apologists for anarchy and enemies of our current administration.
Apologists for Islamic terrorists?
Like this one....?
Sickening.
In your sociopathic hatred against Liberty and Americanism, you openly celebrate the establishment of more breeding grounds of Islamofascism, and spit on the blood of your murdered fellow-countrymen.
And you have the gall to use Free Republic bandwidth to sing the praises of these Islamofascists.
Some dare call it Treason.
Oxymoronic. Kritarchy is premised on the absence of law.
"Kritarchy" is the sort of Government that God established in Levite Israel
Nonsense. The written law wasn't abolished and the word of God wasn't abandoned.
Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny established in Somaliland ~~Something to be glad for. 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe
Another false quote.
BTW, the Bush administration has put the Somali Islamist movement al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya (“Islamic Unity”) on its list of terrorist organizations.
Those who hate our President and our current administration must find that infuriating.
Bollocks. You are just making up Lies as you go, desperately trying to salvage your Slanders from the light of Truths raised against you.
Kritarchy is premised upon the existence of Law.
I began by saying that a social experiment with far-reaching implications is shaping up in Somalia. That experiment consists in the Somalis seeking an alternative to legislative law by looking to their existing customary tribal law, the Xeer, and its further development to serve all of the needs of an emerging urban society. The Xeer promises to become one of the great bodies of customary law, like Anglo-American common law or Jewish traditional law (Halacha). These legal codes are flexible, responsive, and can be maintained without a large central state or legislative apparatus.
A small amount of private funding has just been committed to begin codifying the Xeer. While the Xeerada (plural) appear to vary from tribe to tribe, it is only because each contains mythology particular to its tribe. In essence, the Xeerada are alike in protecting freedom of movement, free trade, and other individual freedoms, and forbidding the contrary-including taxation and legislation.
The Somali nation did not start with the tribes having a common language but by their common observance of the Xeer. Hence the law is called both father and child of the Somali nation.
A society organized strictly in accordance with the Xeer is technically a “kritarchy,” as opposed to a democracy, theocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, or other form of political government. The term, a little-used nineteenth-century word compounded from the Greek, literally means “rule by judges.” ~~Spencer Heath MacCallum
Libertarians sought to establish a Kritarchy to ensure that the RULE OF LAW would be enforced, as opposed to the Anarchy prevalent at the time.
Kritarchy" is the sort of Government that God established in Levite Israel ~~ Nonsense. The written law wasn't abolished and the word of God wasn't abandoned.
AGAIN you display your stunning ignorance, on parade for all to see. Of course Levite Israel was a Kritarchy.
Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny established in Somaliland ~~Something to be glad for. 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe ~~ another false quote.
Bollocks. "Ganesha's" #118 directly linked the Somaliland Constitution, a totalitarian document condemning that State to Shari'ah Islamic Tyranny.
And what did YOU say about this establishment of yet another Islamofascist Shari'ah Tyranny? ~~Something to be glad for. 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe YOUR words. YOUR direct response to #118.
YOUR hatred against Liberty and Americanism, has led you openly celebrate the establishment of more breeding grounds of Islamofascism, and spit on the blood of your murdered fellow-countrymen.
And you have the gall to use Free Republic bandwidth to sing the praises of these Islamofascists.
You took me too literal.
Frankly, such behavior is characteristic of, shall we say, "non-libertarian" Political Movements. And you know it, #3Fan... no offense meant, but it really is a Bearing of False Witness, to insinuate that we Libertarians would "stone you to death" for holding errant political opinions. It's a Lie, a violation of the Ninth Commandment. It isn't necessary, nor funny. Why would you even bother? I never said anything so vile and slanderous about you, you know.
Good gosh, are you from the same place as nopardons? LOL Lighten up, people.
The law of the jungle, perhaps.
"One basic feature of kritarchy is that the judicial, police and law-generating powers are dispersed among the population. Any person is free to establish a court of justice or a police force. The activities of judges and policemen are coordinated by the competitive market process rather than by a supreme court and police minister. The laws of a kritarchy are not contrived, but are discovered by judges in the course of resolving conflicts that come before them."
Kritarchy is the abandonment of written law and its replacement with the ad hoc imposition of cult philosophy by self-appointed "judges."
Somaliland
It's the Somali Islamist movement al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya (“Islamic Unity”) that has been placed of our administration's list of terrorist organizations.
How many American servicemen did the Somalis murder and drag through the streets of their almost "ideal anarchy?" Seventeen, wasn't it?
No, I understood that you were "joking". I understand that you do not actually believe that Libertarians want to kill you for holding erroneous political opinions.
I didn't miss the "joke", I'm just making a point about Moral Civility.
Not every "joke" conforms to a Christian standard of Charity... for example, "joking" that your opponents are murderers may be flippant... but it is still, unfortunately, Blood Libel. And no matter how "flippantly" you phrase it, a Blood Libel can never be a Christian form of Humor.
That is why I, for example, don't "joke" that you want to murder me for being a Libertarian. I would be "kidding", of course; I would be "flippant"; in the right circumstance, it might even "get a laugh" from the peanut gallery.
I'm not doubting the fact that you were "joking". I'm just saying that no matter how "kidding", how whimsical, how flippant... a Christian can never morally use blood libel as a form of "humor".
This isn't a question of legalism, but of Christian charity.
WWJD?? -- The only people whom Jesus ever insinuated might be murderers -- WERE murderers. He bore no False Witness, even "jokingly".
Just think about it, that's all I'm saying.
I wouldn't stone you. If a person wants to get stoned(no pun intended) and be responsible for the consequences of his action...(meaning you or I or anyone pays for it AND it does not violate the rights of anyone else) let him be, and let it be his own business.
The Libertarian view on drugs has such a "shock" value because nowadays, personal responsibility is nearly absent from todays society.
Lies from the God-hating Roscoe. Kritarchy is the sort of Government established by GOD in Levite Israel.
Just because you hate God and his Institutions, does not give you the right to vomit your hatred for God all over Free Republic and sing the praises of Islamofascists.
It's the Somali Islamist movement al-Ittihad al-Islamiyya (“Islamic Unity”) that has been placed of our administration's list of terrorist organizations. How many American servicemen did the Somalis murder and drag through the streets of their almost "ideal anarchy?" Seventeen, wasn't it?
Yes, a pity that Anti-Libertarians like yourself opposed Libertarian attempts to bring Kritarchy and the RULE OF LAW to that complete anarchy and bring an end to Tribal Violence. You could care less if Anarchy reigns and US soldiers are killed, as long as you succeed in foiling Libertarian attempts to bring the RULE OF LAW to Somalia.
After all, your sociopathic hatred for Liberty and Americanism is well-evidenced by the Pro-Islamofascist statements you have made on this thread:
Article 5: Religion
1. Islam is the religion of the nation, and the promotion of any religion in the territory of Somaliland, other than Islam, is prohibited.
2. The laws of the nation shall be grounded on, and shall not be valid if they are contrary to Islamic Sharia.
3. The state shall promote religious tenets (religious affairs), and shall fulfil Sharia principles and discourage immoral acts and reprehensible behaviour.
4. The calendar shall be the Islamic Calendar based on the hijra and the Gregorian Calendar.
Fifth Columnist Disruptors like "Roscoe" who openly celebrate the establishment of a Repressive Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny in Somaliland are a treasonous poison to Free Republic.
Trouble is, The Somaliland Constitution makes all "freedoms" and "legal rights" VOID if they conflict with Shari'ah.
The Libertarian did not die in vain? Perhaps not; he might have succeeded in helping some Somalis avoid starving to death (much to Roscoe's dismay), but his death prior to the implementation of kritarchy Government has allowed sociopaths like Roscoe to crow happily about Libertarian "failure", and sing the praises of the Islamic Shari'ah State which was established instead.
They may have done well for a while. Eventually we would've had a war over slavery though and Texas probably would've aligned with the Confederacy and we would've taken them in as spoils of war. Maybe, maybe not. If they would've guaged the industrial power of the North and realized the North was going to win they may have chosen to sit out though.
The State of New Zealand, or as you put it, Republican New Zealand is conceptually very interesting indeed.
Something of that nature isn't necessary yet, but what if the corruption of the Democrats isn't halted? I remembered being shocked at their blatant lies, now I've come to expect lies from them. Then I was shocked that they were aligned with the mafia. Then I was shocked that they would support a man who committed rape and racketeering for president when we kicked a guy out of office for a two-bit breaking and entering. Then I was shocked that the Democrats didn't care that nuclear technology was given to our most probable enemy...China. That threatens everyone but the Dems still call him the greatest president. Then I was shocked that the Democrats would kick our very foundation of our constitutional republic in the teeth with their voter fraud but a majority of the American people aren't getting too upset about that either. So what's next? Will Americans smile and look the other way when political enemies are lined up and shot, or maybe it'll be Christians being lined up? Maybe they'll say they deserved it, just like those kids in Waco since their parents dared to disrespect the BATF. Maybe CFR was the beginning. What's going to be the penalty for violating the limitations on speech? It seems we've been climbing a ladder of corruption and those are the next rungs. I'm beginning to believe all this trouble is caused by unselective immigration. We let people come here that will have a high probability of staying on the Democratic plantation. The trouble is, those people have no concept of freedom, they're just coming here for the $ signs.
It's attractive, so long as I get to play the role of Sam Houston, rather than Davy Crocket (remember the Alamo?).
I've postulated an exodus, do I get to be Moses? LOL Perish the thought, Moses was much more righteous than me.
At any rate, America would implode if 20 million Republicans left, that's for sure. No protection. No one working. No one literate. No one doing charity. No fathers. The America left behind simply would fall into the abyss.
The balance is so close that a few percentage of Republicans exiting this country would indeed turn this country over to the corrupt Democrats and I'd hate to see what would happen. Look at what Clinton did in his 8 years. It's a wonder we haven't been nuked by China or N. Korea yet.
Re: Costa Rica. I'm nervous about things like water, food, basic health provisions. Where are they on that?
Plus that latitude thing. I think Plato was onto something about certain latitudes building character.
Finally, I'm not sure I want a libertarian state - so long as we are dreaming up Utopia on paper - but more like a Puritan state. This is not going to make the libertarians happy. Keep in mind that the Puritans had considerably more economic freedom than we have and would certainly look very libertarian. But they also covenanted with God and asked His blessing if they honored him. I am convinced that He gave it. I'm convinced that He would do it again.
In my opinion, the Phoenician empires were libertarian empires. Although they believed in their gods, they kept to themselves and refused to get involved with other countries except to do business and business only. Of course philanthropic nations were hard to come by back then but still when I read of the Phoenicians, I think "Libertarians". Tyre and Zidon lost God's protection and fell into the dustbin of history. A bad omen for any future Libertarian society.
But I'm not sure where to start....
It isn't going to get going with just 20 people on a website thread but a few more rungs up the corruption ladder and it may become an unstoppable event. Like I said If someone would've told me in 1992 of the corruption of the Democrats of the period between 1993 and 2002 and that the American people wouldn't care and that they would even applaud some of it, I never would've believed it. We seem to be on a fast-track to somewhere.
"The laws of a kritarchy are not contrived, but are discovered by judges in the course of resolving conflicts that come before them."
That's a call for Kangaroo Courts.
(Islamic Shari’ah Tyranny established in Somaliland) ~~Something to be glad for. 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe
You posted that false quote once before.
That's a call for the importance of Judicial Rulings in establishing ongoing legal Precedent, you obtuse illiterate.
(Islamic Shari’ah Tyranny established in Somaliland) ~~Something to be glad for. 134 posted on 10/24/02 12:08 AM Pacific by Roscoe ~~ You posted that false quote once before.
It's NOT a "false quote", and you know it. It is your EXACT response to Ganesha's #118, which linked the Islamic Shari'ah Somaliland Constitution.
The details are here for all to see:
Article 5: Religion
1. Islam is the religion of the nation, and the promotion of any religion in the territory of Somaliland, other than Islam, is prohibited.
2. The laws of the nation shall be grounded on, and shall not be valid if they are contrary to Islamic Sharia.
3. The state shall promote religious tenets (religious affairs), and shall fulfil Sharia principles and discourage immoral acts and reprehensible behaviour.
4. The calendar shall be the Islamic Calendar based on the hijra and the Gregorian Calendar.
Fifth Columnist Disruptors like "Roscoe" who openly celebrate the establishment of a Repressive Islamic Shari'ah Tyranny in Somaliland are a treasonous poison to Free Republic.
Too many can't keep it to themselves.
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