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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: BADJOE
Deja Vu all over again, huh?

It was ugly the first time and uglier the second.

Whatever your passion or agenda, you should strive to be a gentleman. You have failed miserably.

721 posted on 09/06/2002 1:36:59 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: borkrules
Ok now you have to tell me who she was...
722 posted on 09/06/2002 1:37:05 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Amelia
Welcome to the thread! See my post 701. You are now eligible to enter my charming and cheerful contest!
723 posted on 09/06/2002 1:37:40 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Mudboy Slim
TOP TEN REASONS WHY (and here you have an option of themes) (1) I'm Still Posting in This Thread...

ok, for what it's worth...

10) I'd like to see it make 1,000 posts before six PDT.
9) I'd like to have a lot of last-minute fun before the real flood of deadly serious 9/11 anniversary threads surges.
8) I'd like to see it make 5,000 posts before midnight.
7) I want to see who's going to start the next flame war within the thread.
6) I'd like to see it make 10,000 posts before six tomorrow morning.
5) I'm waiting to see whether the next flame war on the thread moves from flame war to nuclear meltdown before the Robinsons get wise.
4) I'd like to see it make 100,000 posts before the New York Mets lose a home game again. (Yeah! - like that's gonna happen!)
3) It's Friday, and we're supposed to be wasting our time having fun.
2) The Oakland Athletics haven't started winning their 21st game in a row.

And, the number one reason why I'm still posting on this thread...

1) You mean I need a reason?


Well, I tried... ;)
724 posted on 09/06/2002 1:38:02 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: tpaine
On the contrary, VA. Obviously, I got IT, and your idiotic ping list proves it.

Watch your back my friend. Watch your back.

725 posted on 09/06/2002 1:38:11 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Yes, but then humor overtook the thread around the 500 mark and it's been pretty cheerful every sense. Take a dip. It's been kinda fun recently.
726 posted on 09/06/2002 1:38:46 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Mudboy Slim
See post 724. I'm confused. He's in your Ann Coulter contest and not in my Post 701 Lynne Cheney contest, right? I was pretty specific you had to ping me to be in my contest. You're running a parallel one, right?
727 posted on 09/06/2002 1:40:23 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Lazamataz; Hemingway's Ghost
Ann Coulter hates the government too!
728 posted on 09/06/2002 1:40:38 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: BADJOE; Landru; Jim Robinson; Paul Cruce; M. Thatcher; Clarity; Snow Bunny; Billie; coteblanche
"I just think FR is the best hope to educate our masses and it cannot do it without holding both Democrat's and Republican's feet to the fire."

Is there any hope in the deep recesses of yer mind that Dubyuh is playin' 'possum on the real good, basic Conservative Legislation until he gits 3-4 more Senators this November?! Wouldn't that be something if Dubyuh and another 20-30 GOPers in the House made Partial Birth Abortion a memory in March of 2003, then came back and sunsetted the funds to the Dept. of Education to zero by 2008 while instituting a framework fer real School Choice instituted at the State and Local level, then by July of 2003, we're indexing capital gains fer inflation, and setting a National Goal to Decrease Federal Spending as a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product to 12% By 2010?!!

Wouldn't that be kewl if we could help make that happen?!

I think it would...MUD

729 posted on 09/06/2002 1:42:45 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: All
Hmm, people. Can't get a fast answer from Mudboy about whether he's joking re his Ann Coulter contest.

But I assure you I am serious about the Cheney book contest. I *will* mail the book to my winner. So to enter my top ten competition, you must ping me with your list.
730 posted on 09/06/2002 1:42:48 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Interesting Times
thanks for posting that site. hilarious and dead-on characitures.
731 posted on 09/06/2002 1:44:24 PM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: FreeTheHostages
"I'm confused. You're going to have a winner and give them Ann Coulter's book?"

No, WE're gonna have a winner...

"Should we consult to make sure that we have distinct winners?"

Nawww, I'll end up agreeing with you, but I'll have my say in the meantime...MUD

732 posted on 09/06/2002 1:44:54 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
I'm confused. You've offered as an award an signed Ann Coulter book. I'm not in my contest offering a signed Ann Coulter book. I don't have a signed Ann Coulter book. I have a Lynne Cheney book. Are you offering a separate prize or was that a joke? Just want others who are entering to know and don't understand myself.
733 posted on 09/06/2002 1:46:20 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: VA Advogado
Watch your back my friend. Watch your back.
__________________________________

Odd comment on several counts.
- You aren't my friend, or anyones at FR for that matter. -- You are a prime backstabber if I've ever seen one. --- Which means that your line is NOT a warning, its a threat.

In any case, VA, take your advice and stuff it.
734 posted on 09/06/2002 1:50:26 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Amelia; BADJOE; dead; Inspector Harry Callahan; Militiaman7; maxwell
"Maybe it's people who have vested interests in other websites and want to make this one look bad so people will leave and go to their websites instead."

We have determined that BADJOE's sole website-of-concern is FreeRepublic.com.

"Sorry if someone else has already made the same points. Some of us had to work today."

No apologies necessary, but you might wanna check this thread a little closer...BJ may open some festering wounds but there's a tendency for said wounds to become cleansed under closer scrutiny.

FReepers ROCK...MUD

735 posted on 09/06/2002 1:50:36 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: FreeTheHostages
Top 10 reasons why I'm still posting this thread.

10.It beats working
9. Noone in creation could read the entire thread anyway.
8. Actually its the first time I posted in this thread.
7. Its more light-hearted than actual events.
6. Its good to post something that might get a reply.
5. Its better to post something for a prize.
4. Wasn't this thread to be killed?
3. I'm new here and too ignorant to know when to shut up.
2. Method of payment for bribery - Do you take Diner's Club?
1. Who's LYNN CHENEY?
736 posted on 09/06/2002 1:50:43 PM PDT by Jake0001
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To: Mudboy Slim
Post 701, Contest rule: "I am the sole judge."

I think I should stick by that rule, especially (cough) since it appears that certain other would-be judges appear to be drunk (cough) or something? :::blowing on Mudboy to see if he falls over:::
737 posted on 09/06/2002 1:51:19 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages
Ok the Top Ten Reasons I'm still posting on this thread..

10. No one has yet mentioned how vey series this is.
9. I can't get enough of Blues Duke's wacky pack pictures.
8. I've never seen Ash post and would hate to miss it if he shows up.
7. I can't leave until there is bloodshed.
6.Maybe someone REALLY clever will contribute to your contest.
5. Perhaps Jim Rob will show up and kick us all out of his house and I couldn't bear to miss the end of FR.
4. I exist only on the fringes here and am dying to be a part of the "big stuff".
3. I'm hoping that BADJOE will come back and change his name to GOODJOE.
2. Doug from Upland hasn't memorialized this in song yet.

And the number one reason I'm still posting here is....I still haven't found out what happened to the brown dog with the girlfriend in the car of the guy with all the guns.

738 posted on 09/06/2002 1:54:38 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: FreeTheHostages
"He's in your Ann Coulter contest and not in my Post 701 Lynne Cheney contest, right? I was pretty specific you had to ping me to be in my contest. You're running a parallel one, right?"

No, my FRiend, there is but one contest of which YOU are the Final Judge and I was jist addin' to the kitty.

Mellow...MUD

739 posted on 09/06/2002 1:54:39 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
Oh my GOSH! Are you REALLY!! you really HAVE such a book and we're adding it to the kitty??!!

Wow, batten down the hatches!!
740 posted on 09/06/2002 1:55:51 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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