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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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To: Howlin
It sounds almost like Beckie is their type setter.
421 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:30 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: tomkat; FreeTheHostages; Landru; sultan88; jla; hchutch; PhiKapMom
"delightfully eclectic"

Yes, indeedy...I've not read every post, but has anybody else professed a belief--or evidence--that JimRob's a "SellOut"?!

Lemme at 'em...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

422 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:43 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
You are in no position to be talking about hearing "both sides" to a story when you read and admire the New American.

Being a Bircher, or advocate, doesn't inspire much confidence in you ability to comprehend reality, Beckie.
423 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:45 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Cyber Liberty
Thanks for being so original. I appreciate it.

Next time I need an original thought or concept, I will contact you.

424 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:57 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Mo1
You said "I think". If "I think" is libel, then all her posts are libel as they are all opinions, no facts.
425 posted on 09/06/2002 10:45:57 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Interesting Times
Have you considered changing your screen name to "Askel Wormtongue"?

As a matter of fact, I had not.

Do folks call me such names behind my back when I harp on hypocritical posts and/or posters on this site and elsewhere ... as if I were limited to taking exception with only the One Side OR the Other concerning the yin yang of perpetual conflict between the Cults of Personality which sprang up around FReepers of yore and JimRob?

I'm happy to consider it but I'll admit I'd like something with a little more snap than "Wormtongue". Plenty of prurient sorts around here who'll be tempted to take that sort of handle and run with it. I certainly don't want to leave myself open to that sort of cheap shot. I get enough as it is.

426 posted on 09/06/2002 10:46:05 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: tpaine
I'm with you Phys, but I do believe that if Joe gave us the 'specifics', they would only see the light of day for a few minutes.M

Innuendo is the only way you can speak 'freely' on FR about certain subjects, as we ALL well know.

Certainly nobody would ever be allowed to post a thread suggesting that Jim and FR have been "bought by the GOP behind the scenes"...

427 posted on 09/06/2002 10:46:14 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: LurkerNoMore!
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428 posted on 09/06/2002 10:46:29 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: unsycophant
The one hour time outs were one of my suggestions to the mods.

I said if a Freeper suffered several of those, he'd blame himself rather than the mods. When they "can" a Freeper for longer periods of time over very little it pisses the Freeper off and they want to retaliate.

I wanted the goal to be to keep our Freepers on board, not turn them into antiFreepers.

429 posted on 09/06/2002 10:46:45 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: habs4ever
I stand by that one too.

I love the New American Magazine and enjoy reading every issue that I receive.

430 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:00 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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yep bob, looks like we got us another'n ...


431 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:07 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Cyber Liberty
Your ad hominum attacks on Howlin really crack me up....

Whats hominy got to do with anything?????

(LOL, just trying to bump this stupid thread to 500, I think someone has money riding on it getting there by 3pm Eastern) :o)

432 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:21 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Mo1
See also post #413, cheater...MUD
433 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:22 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: dubyagee; strela
Sad, isn't it.
434 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:35 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: VA Advogado
No, MO1 saying "I think..." is libel.

College my butt.

435 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:41 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Interesting Times; tpaine; Roscoe; Dane; Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad
Certainly nobody would ever be allowed to post a thread suggesting that Jim and FR have been "bought by the GOP behind the scenes"...

Cut TP some slack. He's not known for getting it right away.

436 posted on 09/06/2002 10:47:57 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Howlin
Sick. Larry Klayman has lost his mind.
437 posted on 09/06/2002 10:49:09 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
RBA, you must be a real hit with the ladies. LOL.

FYI, I probably would never give you the time of day.

438 posted on 09/06/2002 10:49:20 AM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: BADJOE
1. JR's shift to supporting Bush and the Republican Party is simple to explain: JR's neurons finally made the connection between political power and winning elections. He had a revelation about the definition of "politics", and thus became his own heresiarch.

2. Conspiracy thought is just a subset of cognitive dissonance. What you know to be true you cannot manage to wrap your brain around. So you hallucinate. Such is your innuendo in your first post. There is no need to posit a behind-the-scenes buy-out of Free Republic when what you see right in front of you is consistent with what we know happens to some minds over time.

That JR used to think the Bush family was involved in drug-running but now supports George Bush enthusiastically might make your mind hurt, but don't let the hallucinations in just to take the pain away. You will never find your way back to Occam again.

439 posted on 09/06/2002 10:49:25 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: All
There is a lot of news today:

Jobless Rate (Unexpectedly) Falls

Feinstein Attacks Bush on Iraq

Hooters Chairman Makes Bid for Vanguard

Millions in Negative Ads Send Davis Backwards

These are just four examples I pulled. There are lots of other things happening, including Blair arriving tomorrow, Congress in New York, and all sorts of issues from Homeland Security to Martha Stewart. All of this whining and backbiting is a waste of time.

440 posted on 09/06/2002 10:50:39 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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