Making Monkeys Out of Evolutionists

Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | August 28, 2002 | Cal Thomas

[Prince Caspian]

...monkeys flying out of The Great Ass. Since this can't be disproved, I demand it be taught in public schools as an alternative to the Big Bang and evolution.

Go find an sizeable and influential constituency and then we'll talk.

[dubyagee]

No one has seen an electron. Do you doubt the theory of electricity?

I see the light and the methods which go about producing it. ; * )

[Poohbah]

LGo find an sizeable and influential constituency and then we'll talk.

Scientific fact is not determined by popular vote.

[gdani]

Evolution stands everything we know about mathematics and probability theory on their heads.

Let's say, for the sake of debate, that evolution is total bunk and everyone accepts that statement.

How in the world does that make creationism (Adam & Eve, Noah's ark, woman coming from man's rib, talking snakes, etc) the leading scientific alternative or any viable alternative at all?

As many posters on this thread seem to assert, biblical creationism is entirely plausible and there is no need for proof because God works in mysterious ways beyond our understanding.

[jim35]

"But there is no genuine scientific rebuttal yet found to evolution. If there were, it would be big news, and big science would study it."


Unless you consider that it has become so ingrained in the society of scientists, that it is too sacred a cow to be questioned, and that any who do are punished and ridiculed, and see their careers go down the drain. This is one of the oldest traditions in science, going way back.

[dubyagee]

He's so far advanced, He created Evolution.

I believe his methods are so far advanced it wouldn't have taken him quite that long. 8 * )

[mtg]

Why are believers in one model -- evolution -- seeking to impose their faith on those who hold that there is scientific evidence which supports the other model? It's because they fear they will lose their influence and academic power base after a free and open debate. They are like political dictators who oppose democracy, fearing it will rob them of power.

I think this sums it up very well.

[Prince Caspian]

End taxpayer support of schooling, and the debate disappears.

Absolutely right.

[jim35]

Show me your mind. Can it be seen, touched or smelled? Did your consciousness spring into being by accident, or is there some great design? The possibilities are mind-blowing. So to speak.

[Physicist]

Apparently, academic freedom is for other subjects.

No, academic freedom is for academics, not for grade school students. I don't want my kids presented with alternatives to mathematics, chemistry, electromagnetism or evolution. If they want to question any of those things later, that's fine, but before they can question them, they first have to learn them.

Creationism simply does not qualify as an alternate theory to evolution. It is pure religion. It has no place in schools.

[moneyrunner]

"We can objectively show that O.J. Simpson did not murder Anne Nicole Smith."

Hilarious!!!!

We are now dealing in fact, not theory. I am also willing to assert that O.J. did not kill Johnny Cochran. Any other candidates?

[jim35]

We (man and monkeys) all evolved from some common species? Which one was that? Anyone found that "missing link" yet? Your belief reminds me of a religion in itself.

[dubyagee]

I don't want my kids presented with alternatives to mathematics, chemistry, electromagnetism or evolution.

Evolution just does not fit in with the first three. Observation is the key. (Give me a dime, I made a rhyme.;* )

[Doctor Stochastic]

Evolutionary theory says nothing about the beginning or the universe. Please rephrase your question about evolutionary theory.

[r9etb]

I'm asking for a cite that indicates that atheists use evolution as the primary excuse for their non-belief in god. Please support your claim.

No need to provide a cite, since I never made that claim to begin with.

What I said was that I believe atheists start from a position of not wanting to believe in God, and use evolution as an argument in support of their position. You can see this in action, in FR threads and elsewhere (e.g., from Dawkins).

[dubyagee]

and that any who do are punished and ridiculed, and see their careers go down the drain.

That is true. Sad, but true.

[narby]

But I do believe we got the abreviated version of creation.

Go back again and re-read the two creation stories. They can, with difficulty, be reconciled. But if you work just as had at reconciliation between Genesis and the scientific evidence, they too can be reconciled.

In particular, I think it's Genesis chap 1 that has the sequence of creation in basically the same as science. It's only those pesky "days" that get in the way, and those can easily be seen as symbolic.

I was taught that the Genesis stories were oral historys (read them like a novel, they obviouly were) recorded on paper in Moses' time. You know how oral histories are corrupted in the retelling.

[Dimensio]

Can it be seen, touched or smelled?

Nope. I can only assume that my consciousness is a common trait amongst the species and I can only defer to my experience for traits regarding it. As such, I cannot claim to scientifically demonstrate the existence of consciousness. Someone with better understanding of human physiology might have better luck, though.