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Making Monkeys Out of Evolutionists
Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | August 28, 2002 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/28/2002 9:36:04 AM PDT by gdani

Making Monkeys Out of Evolutionists
Wednesday, August 28, 2002

By Cal Thomas
Tribune Media Services

It's back-to-school time. That means school supplies, clothes, packing lunches and the annual battle over what can be taught.

The Cobb County, Ga., School Board voted unanimously Aug. 22 to consider a pluralistic approach to the origin of the human race, rather than the mandated theory of evolution. The board will review a proposal which says the district "believes that discussion of disputed views of academic subjects is a necessary element of providing a balanced education, including the study of the origin of the species."

Immediately, pro-evolution forces jumped from their trees and started behaving as if someone had stolen their bananas. Apparently, academic freedom is for other subjects. Godzilla forbid! (This is the closest one may get to mentioning "God" in such a discussion, lest the ACLU intervene, which it has threatened to do in Cobb County, should the school board commit academic freedom. God may be mentioned if His Name modifies "damn." The First Amendment's free speech clause protects such an utterance, we are told by the ACLU. The same First Amendment, according to their twisted logic, allegedly prohibits speaking well of God.)

What do evolutionists fear? If scientific evidence for creation is academically unsound and outrageously untrue, why not present the evidence and allow students to decide which view makes more sense? At the very least, presenting both sides would allow them to better understand the two views. Pro-evolution forces say (and they are saying it again in Cobb County) that no "reputable scientist" believes in the creation model. That is demonstrably untrue. No less a pro-evolution source than Science Digest noted in 1979 that, "scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities . . . Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science." (Larry Hatfield, "Educators Against Darwin.")

In the last 30 years, there's been a wave of books by scientists who do not hold to a Christian-apologetic view on the origins of humanity but who have examined the underpinnings of evolutionary theory and found them to be increasingly suspect. Those who claim no "reputable scientist" holds to a creation model of the universe must want to strip credentials from such giants as Johann Kepler (1571-1630), the founder of physical astronomy. Kepler wrote, "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God."

Werner Von Braun (1912-1977), the father of space science, wrote: " . . . the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Who would argue that these and many other scientists were ignorant about science because they believed in God? Contemporary evolutionists who do so are practicing intellectual slander. Anything involving God, or His works, they believe, is to be censored because humankind must only study ideas it comes up with apart from any other influence. Such thinking led to the Holocaust, communism and a host of other evils conjured up by the deceitful and wicked mind of uncontrolled Man.

There are only two models for the origin of humans: evolution and creation. If creation occurred, it did so just once and there will be no "second acts." If evolution occurs, it does so too slowly to be observed. Both theories are accepted on faith by those who believe in them. Neither theory can be tested scientifically because neither model can be observed or repeated.

Why are believers in one model -- evolution -- seeking to impose their faith on those who hold that there is scientific evidence which supports the other model? It's because they fear they will lose their influence and academic power base after a free and open debate. They are like political dictators who oppose democracy, fearing it will rob them of power.

The parallel views should be taught in Cobb County, Ga., and everywhere else, and let the most persuasive evidence win.


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To: Poohbah
No, I did follow what they were saying up to a point, but my background is not molecular biology. Check out the information for yourself.
101 posted on 08/28/2002 11:05:25 AM PDT by oc-flyfish
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To: gcruse
I believe that the universe came into existence in the form of monkeys flying out of The Great Ass.... Who can say I'm wrong?

I don't know. But if you have any monkeys left over I'd like to buy one for my kids.

102 posted on 08/28/2002 11:05:53 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: A2J
According to the Bible, God made man out of the dust of the earth.

And how many steps were there in between dust and Man?

Go back and read Genesis. Count the words used to describe what absolutly had to be an incredibly complex thing.

How God created everything.

There simply must be more to the story than those few hundred words. Like the book of Revelation, Genesis cannot be read litterally. The humans who recorded the words of the Bible were not there at creation, and they have not yet seen Revelation.

And as I've pointed out, obviously humans do not agree on the meaning of Gods will. So how could they have perfectly written either Genesis or Revelation?

103 posted on 08/28/2002 11:06:03 AM PDT by narby
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To: r9etb
If my own experience is any guide, you'll know it by how hard you have to work to avoid answering the door.

Hehehhehhe, that is a job, indeed, isn't it?

104 posted on 08/28/2002 11:06:06 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: A2J
Does your consciousness entertain the thought that there is more to creation than meets the eye?

I would say yes, but you're using the loaded term 'creation' which assumes that the universe is created, which has not been universally accepted.
105 posted on 08/28/2002 11:06:22 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: A2J; jim35
You either believe in creation, or just a big coincidence. Personally, I find the latter to be quite ridiculous.

As far as the ridiculousness of a "big coincidence" is concerned, it would depend on how many "trials" there were. If the cosmos was repeatedly attempting to jump-start a new universe with trillions and quadrillions of failures, eventually it will get lucky, assuming the probablility of the chain of events resulting in what we see around us is not zero.

BTW, I'm a creationist.

106 posted on 08/28/2002 11:06:37 AM PDT by Prince Caspian
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To: gdani
I just found somethinng very interesting. I had seen the following quote before and went to Google to find it so I could post it here. PLease read the comment at the end of this post ...

This is from the final chapter of Darwin's 'Origin of Species' Notice even Darwin referred to the Creator with a capital 'C'....

There is grandeur in this view of life with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, have been and are being evolved.

Now for the interesting part. One of the links reported by Google can be found here under the heading 'knowledge matters' is found the following ...

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.

Notice the difference? The phrase 'by the Creator' has been removed! Upon further investigation I have found that the version with 'Creator' as the source was added by Darwin during subsequent editions. I think the choice of the version used to quote could indicate which side one happens to lie. I would think the honest person would choose the latest edition or at least footnote the other version.
107 posted on 08/28/2002 11:06:50 AM PDT by tang-soo
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To: maryz
Leeches stimulate blood flow to impaired tissues. Gross, but it works.
108 posted on 08/28/2002 11:07:02 AM PDT by jim35
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To: jim35
Did he mean yesterday, or 5 billion years ago?

A few thousand years ago, more or less. Nobody is jumping up and down demanding that any of the variants of a Saturn thesis be taught as a fact in public schools at public expense, and a person could believe that the Earth was orbitting Saturn NOW and still make sense compared to evolutionists. Evolution stands everything we know about mathematics and probability theory on their heads.

109 posted on 08/28/2002 11:07:30 AM PDT by medved
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To: jim35
 Creationism doesn't necessarily rely on the Christian belief in God,

Hey, I was born at night, but it wasn't  LAST night.
That crap won't fly.

111 posted on 08/28/2002 11:08:24 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: moneyrunner
LOL
113 posted on 08/28/2002 11:09:15 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Buck Turgidson
”DNA. Check it out.”

Did. Not persuasive.

If your DNA is found on a murder victim, we can presume with a high degree of assurance that you had contact with the victim.

If your DNA is similar to both simians and earthworms, but not similar to chickens, what can we conclude?

114 posted on 08/28/2002 11:09:31 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: dubyagee
By neither, but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Like I said, by grace....

My point is that humans cannot ever perfectly interpret the will of God, and so many disagree with your statement. Humans recorded Genesis. They were flawed humans. Genesis has only two chapters on creation. There's just a bit more to the story to be discovered, and science is working on its discovery.

115 posted on 08/28/2002 11:09:41 AM PDT by narby
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To: Junior
Placemarker.
116 posted on 08/28/2002 11:10:00 AM PDT by Junior
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To: narby
There simply must be more to the story than those few hundred words. Like the book of Revelation, Genesis cannot be read litterally. The humans who recorded the words of the Bible were not there at creation, and they have not yet seen Revelation.

I agree with you there, even though I do believe Revelation can be interpreted ("Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near." Rev 1:3). But I do believe we got the abreviated version of creation.

117 posted on 08/28/2002 11:10:25 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: gdani
I wonder what other area of science one would have to go back over 400 years to find a respected proponent of one's point of view? History is full of scientists who have fallen for various pieces of crackpottery. Linus Pauling's work in chemistry won him a Nobel Prize, but late in life he took to pushing vitamin C as a cure for just about everything. Brian Josephson, another Nobel laureate for work on superconductors, believes in the metal benders and psychics. A notion is not made scientific by having scientists who believe in it.
118 posted on 08/28/2002 11:10:27 AM PDT by jejones
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To: steve-b
The murders of Anne Nicole Smith and Ron Goldman are not reproducible. Therefore, by your reasoning, the bafflegab spun by Cochran & Co. is just as credible as the belief that O. J. Simpson is a murderer.

We can objectively show that O.J. Simpson did not murder Anne Nicole Smith.

119 posted on 08/28/2002 11:11:35 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: dubyagee
If he 'created' science, it stands to reason he is much further advanced than we are. 8 * )

He's so far advanced, He created Evolution.

120 posted on 08/28/2002 11:11:55 AM PDT by narby
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