Israel approves settlement plan to erase idea of Palestinian state [barf alert]

Al-Reuters ^ | August 20, 20252:47 PM EDT

[Olog-hai]

A widely condemned Israeli settlement plan that would cut across land which the Palestinians seek for a state received final approval on Wednesday, according to a statement from Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

The approval of the E1 project, which would bisect the occupied West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, was announced last week by Smotrich and received final go-ahead from a defense ministry planning commission on Wednesday, he said. […]

A German government spokesperson commenting on the announcement told reporters on Wednesday that settlement construction violates international law and “hinders a negotiated two-state solution and an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank”. […]

Most of the international community considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law. Israel disputes this, citing historical and biblical ties to the area and saying the settlements provide strategic depth and security. …

[Petrosius]

Because the Jews aren’t trying to exterminate them.

No, just established a Jewish state by driving the Arabs out or denying them civil rights under the control of that state. And I will point out that the Arab hostility towards the Israelis occurred in response to the Zionist project to establish a Jewish state in a land occupied by Arabs. We object to the mass immigration of Hispanics into the US. Why should not the Arabs not have objected to the mass immigration of Jews and their project to establish a Jewish state to the detriment of the indigenous Arab population?

[Lurker]

The Arab religion (islam for the comprehension impaired like you) calls demands the extermination of every Jew on the planet.

There’s no peaceful coexistence with that.

“And I will point out that the Arab hostility towards the Israelis occurred in response to the Zionist project to establish a Jewish State….”

And I will point out that you’re either a poor liar or completely ignorant. Both of these things are possible, of course. They’re not mutually exclusive.

So to sell your bull**** somewhere else. No one here is buying it.

L

[Petrosius]

I am no fan of the Muslims nor do I have the mistaken belief that the Jews, or Christians for that matter, living in Muslim countries had it made. But the fact is that there were Jews living in Muslim countries for hundreds of years before the establishment of the State of Israel and were not subject to the hostility that they face now. That came latter.

At the founding of Israel the Arabs in Palestine were rather secular and not particularly religious. Hamas and the radicalization of the Palestinians Arabs also came latter. Israel has been ruling over the Territories for nearly 60 years, offering the Arabs of those lands neither citizenship nor a country of their own. At some point hope runs out. Those Arabs are not going anywhere, nor are the Israelis going to kick them out. Israel has two options: two states for the two populations or one state for both. Continuing the present situation will only radicalize the Arabs more. This is what lead to the creation of Hamas in the first place.

I will ask again, why should the Arabs of Palestine in 1948 have welcomed mass Jewish immigration that would lead to the creation of a Jewish state in a land whose population was 2/3 Arab?

[woodpusher]

There is no such thing as a “palestinian”.

You claim that no such place as Palestine exists. I will cite and quote documented history as opposed to Zionist fiction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

The BALFOUR DECLARATION of 1917

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917.

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country”.

Yours sincerely,
/s/ Arthur James Balfour

How did they create a home for the Jewish Zionists in a Palestine that did not exist? Did they compromise and build it in Wakanda?

[Olog-hai]

To: atrocious petrosius

Using logical fallacies does not establish anything as a “fact” in any way. The left uses logical fallacies endlessly. You just used another one in that last reply, argumentum ad lapidem. The end is an argument to try to delegitimize the state of Israel, to boot.

Opus?

[Petrosius]

Using logical fallacies does not establish anything as a “fact” in any way. The left uses logical fallacies endlessly. You just used another one in that last reply, argumentum ad lapidem.

Not at all. All I did was show that you did not prove the falsehood of any of my statements. Indeed, you did not even specify which of my statements were false. To recap:

1. I provided census numbers to show that in 1947 the Arabs were in the majority. Is this what you hold is false? If so, on what basis?
2. I showed that the League of Nations mandate to the British did not authorize the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. Is this what you hold is false?
3. I showed that the State of Israel not established by the British as the Mandatory power. It was established unilaterally by the Jewish authorities. Is this what you hold is false?

It is not enough for you to claim argumentum ad verecundiam without specifying how it is applicable. For a start, to which point above are you applying it? Additionally, for it to be a fallacy it has to be shown that the authority has no basis for making the claim, that it is based on his authority alone. In the case of Della Pergola, show that his number are incorrect. Your denial of an Arab majority in 1948 is purely gratuitous and without basis.

[Petrosius]

“Palestine” has NEVER been a nation or state

A specious argument. There has been a territory called Palestine for 2000 years and its inhabitants are rightly called Palestinians.

Actually, they are immigrants (illegal?) from Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, and elsewhere...

False. Genetic studies have shown that the Palestinian Arabs are indigenous to the territory and are distinct from Arabs from those elsewhere in the Middle East. But even if they were immigrants, does this not hold a fortiori for the Jewish immigration after WWI and WWII? Why would a Jewish immigrant be legitimate but not an Arab?

[Texan4Life]

Baby Steps... From the river to the sea . . . Means Israel is all you will see... from the Euphrates River, to the Nile River ... to the sea. Go Israel Go ! ! !