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Scientists Propose AI Apocalypse Kill Switches
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Posted on 02/16/2024 7:04:44 PM PST by algore

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To: algore
Scientists propose giving ever more grant money to scientists.

A kill switch on that seems an excellent notion.

21 posted on 02/17/2024 1:43:40 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: cgbg

Exactly


22 posted on 02/17/2024 3:42:23 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: algore
“one of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound,
but the fatal wound had been healed.
The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast”
23 posted on 02/17/2024 3:47:37 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Leaning Right

Or throwing the breaker.


24 posted on 02/17/2024 4:00:39 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The scientists think that the AI will kill them last.

Homo Sapiens are so dumb.


25 posted on 02/17/2024 5:02:49 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: algore

The beliefs of these morons is based upon what they see in movies. Their anxieties can be cured simply by making movies with friendly AI robots.


26 posted on 02/17/2024 5:10:03 AM PST by Dennis M.
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To: algore

The race to dominate AI is similar to the race to the ‘Bomb’. Everyone knows there’s huge possibilities and no regulation is going to stop it.

There’s a certain inevitability here. Distributed systems, quantum computing, networks, etc. - with nation states funding ‘anything possible’. If ‘it’ can be done, whatever ‘it’ is, and ‘it’ has the resources, motivation, and means of developing ‘it’ - then ‘it’ will emerge.

There’s certainly a genie trying to escape the bottle - we just have no idea yet what it looks like.


27 posted on 02/17/2024 5:39:43 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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--- "The scientists think that the AI will kill them last. Homo Sapiens are so dumb."

An old friend of mine, an expert in computer and cognitive science, said "AI" was marketing, more or less, for what he called VGP.

Very good programming. Trying to pass the Searle and Turing tests is no measure of intelligence, on the same basis that some people can be convinced by con men and snake oil salesmen. Being convinced is not proof of anything, per se.

The Large Language Models have shown that GIGO remains in operation, and some highly promoted AI experiments ended up adopting racist stances and the like. Making them like dumb homo sapiens.

To this date, we know almost nothing about the most basic cognitive acts, though we homo sapiens -- dumb, as you say -- have been able to mimic them. An informative synonym for mimic is ape, and that's what this AI ( really VGP ) is at this moment in time.

Proof that homo sapiens are dumb. Biden is in office. QED.

28 posted on 02/17/2024 6:14:37 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: algore

A kill switch? That won’t make the AI paranoid against humans at all.


29 posted on 02/17/2024 6:22:39 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: algore

I am still waiting to see anything of remarkable value created by AI.

When AI writes a winning legal appeal, or explains a mystery of human physiology, or indicts a Democrat for election fraud, I will be impressed.


30 posted on 02/17/2024 6:42:49 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“To this date, we know almost nothing about the most basic cognitive acts”

Great discussion on this podcast:

https://podbay.fm/p/where-is-my-mind

Most of the good stuff is banned and canceled in the university.


31 posted on 02/17/2024 8:25:23 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
Thanks. "How can a physical thing create a non-physical thing?" So was said of replies, "There's nothing on the table." From the older guys, Fodor, Fetzer and more, the problem has been stated many times and in many ways. There are theological types who propose their answers, but in the realm of cognitive science, nothing on that table.

The mention of Kurweil and Musk tells a tale, for intertwined are science theory and plain business fact. An element of salesmanship is always present. I suspect we homo sapiens are generations away from scratching the curtains away from this "wizard" problem.

Best wishes and thanks again for the link. I will listen to more while pruning the rose garden this day.

32 posted on 02/17/2024 8:53:32 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Dennis M.
The beliefs of these morons is based upon what they see in movies.
Their anxieties can be cured simply by making movies with friendly AI robots.

AI is already working on that.

33 posted on 02/17/2024 8:58:27 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: algore

True AI, which we’re still not really near, is self modifying code. So any kill switch has to deal with the concept of how you hide from code that is editing itself the code to kill it.


34 posted on 02/17/2024 9:01:12 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The best way to solve unsolved problems is to stop banning and censoring people working on them.

Homo sapiens has a long history of failing to meet even that low bar.


35 posted on 02/17/2024 9:02:11 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: discostu

The kill switch is a 1970s concept when computers were hard wired, were the size of large rooms and didn’t talk to each other.

It is embarrassing when current scientists talk about it.

AI (in whatever state it is in) will be on most cell phones in a few years.


36 posted on 02/17/2024 9:04:28 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: fuzzylogic
This got me thinking way back when.

The adolescence of P-1 by Ryan, Thomas J. (Thomas Joseph),

That's a link from the waybackmachine by the way.

37 posted on 02/17/2024 9:34:42 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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--- "The best way to solve unsolved problems is to stop banning and censoring people working on them. Homo sapiens has a long history of failing to meet even that low bar."

Free inquiry has a bug-a-boo built into it, for all those who would crush what is "free" in favor of "submit" and "obey."

In this, I think world events are "coming to a head," as the "free" contends with the "un-free." I see freedom winning long term.

Best wishes.

38 posted on 02/17/2024 9:44:07 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Leaning Right

AI isn’t self-sustaining. Remove the human technician’s for a little while and any AI system will collapse naturally; this is about controlling people, not machines.


39 posted on 02/18/2024 7:13:40 PM PST by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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