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Why Antifa Nazi-Punching Is Just a Gift to the Right
The Daily Beast ^ | August 28, 2017 | Anthony L Fisher

Posted on 08/29/2017 12:58:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Even Chomsky Agrees. It may feel good, and they may well deserve it, but violence against neo-Nazis only helps sustain a dynamic at which the Nazis will prevail.

To many on the right—especially Donald Trump loyalists and devotees of white nationalist YouTube personalities—the black-clad anarchists known as Antifa represent the coming of a Stalinist dictatorship. To a sizable portion of the political left and center, the sight of tiki torch-wielding white supremacists marching through Charlottesville, Virginia earlier this month portends a future of Nuremberg rallies and the death of liberal democracy.

The state of many Americans’ heightened anxiety is understandable. The presidency of Donald Trump has been a chaotic fiasco by any reasonable metric, and the instability of the commander-in-chief has made us all a bit edgier than usual.

Following up a week of possible accidental nuclear apocalypse with images of brazen neo-Nazis chanting phrases such as “Jews will not replace us” and the English translation of the German Nazi slogan “blood and soil,” topped off with a cowardly terrorist attack by one of the alt-right losers in attendance, Americans looked to their president for reassurance. Instead, they were met with equivocation.

Members of the president’s party—including Rep. Steve Scalise, who was nearly assassinated in June by an unhinged Bernie Sanders supporter—unreservedly condemned the violence initiated by the alt-rightist who intentionally drove his car into an assembly of peaceful protesters. Such full-throated condemnation wasn’t a particularly brave act. Slagging Nazis is about the easiest political layup available to any politician anywhere. Yet, it was too much for Trump, because the alt-right sympathizers in his inner circle have him fixated on antifa—who, while present in Charlottesville, represented only a portion of the counter-protest.

To be very clear, antifa and neo-Nazis do not reside on the same moral plane; white supremacists are demonstrably worse in both word and deed. Still, antifa wears its violence as a badge of courage, a necessary response to fascism that (in their view) liberals who believe in the necessity of civil liberties lack the courage to effectively confront. Antifa’s incoherent ideology was aptly summarized by one 20-year-old participant, recently quoted in The New York Times: “You need violence in order to protect nonviolence.” They want to make the world safe from Nazis by making them feel unsafe. Given the increasing willingness of neo-Nazis to march—unmasked and in public—it’s safe to say antifa’s tactics haven’t worked.

But that hasn’t prevented a healthy amount of antifa self-mythologizing, particularly in a number of pieces for The Nation by journalist and part-time masked vigilante Natasha Lennard, who has extolled the “pure kinetic beauty” of one of her cohort decking the unsuspecting (and odious) alt-right leader Richard Spencer. A more recent piece features Lennard engaging in delusions of tragic revolutionary grandeur by comparing today’s antifa with the anti-fascists who fought (and lost) in street battles against government-supported gangs in Nazi Germany and fascist Spain and Italy.

I enjoy seeing Nazis punched as much as the next decent human being, but I still maintain that violence is wrong and is a failure of political thought, not a righteous tool of it. In the aftermath of Inauguration Day’s viral Spencer-punching, it was more than a little disconcerting to see so many people who heretofore were proponents of the rule of law cheering on antifa as the self-deputized arbiters of acceptable political violence. While social media flooded with images of Indiana Jones and Superman and Captain America punching Nazis, I wondered if the terms “Nazi” or “fascist” might come to lose their meaning when deployed by antifa in search of the thrill of a fight.

A more sober analysis of how to deal with the new Nazi threat was penned by the leftist writer Amber A'Lee Frost in Current Affairs, where she argued that it’s “hazardous (and intellectually dishonest)” to treat “Nazis as some massive unstoppable movement on the precipice of seizing power (which they are not). Exaggerating the power and influence of the Alt-Right not only contributes to unnecessary panic, it plays into their promotion campaigns.”

It bears repeating that unlike neo-Nazis, neo-antifa haven’t killed anyone, and according to a study by Alex Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute, the levels of deadly violence committed by the far-right dwarfs their left-wing counterparts by a factor of 10 over the past 25 years.

However, the notion that antifa participants have kept their violence strictly “anti-fascist” is plainly untrue, as most recently evidenced in the assaults on two journalists (including a woman, Taylor Lorenz of The Hill) in Charlottesville. In the aftermath of the violence, a defiant post on Antifa Seven Hills’ Facebook page blamed the reporters for the attacks they endured at the hands of the masked “anti-fascists.”

The post read in part:

Media you do not have the right to treat us this way. We are not your spectacle to profit off of. You are very often disrespectful and aggressive and we you [sic] will be met with the same behavior. If you don’t want to get hit don’t act like vultures. Ask for consent.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifa; antifaduh; antifirstamendment; fascism; insurrection; nazis; sedition; terrorism; terrorists; violence
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To: G Larry

Absolutely right. The nazis have been organized by former “Occupy” thugs, who have also organized with antifa. It’s one big lie.


21 posted on 08/29/2017 1:37:44 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Antifa is just Occupy Wall Street with a more marketable name. Their goal is the destruction of capitalism and capitalists. And they will falsely label all of their targets as Fascists and Nazis in order to feed their goal. Of course, the drone white liberals have latched on to them because they are fascists themselves and believe in “any means necessary” to further progressivism and cultural Marxism.


22 posted on 08/29/2017 1:43:50 PM PDT by Mozzafiato
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“To be very clear, antifa and neo-Nazis do not reside on the same moral plane; white supremacists are demonstrably worse in both word and deed.”

When all your opinions are based on fake news, are they fake opinions?


23 posted on 08/29/2017 1:47:51 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To be very clear, antifa and neo-Nazis do not reside on the same moral plane; white supremacists are demonstrably worse in both word and deed.


Actually, they are birds of a feather.

Author states this as true without any logical argument.

24 posted on 08/29/2017 2:35:42 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: a fool in paradise
"...because frankly everyone they punch ISN’T a NAZI." Snowflake want to punch nazi? How about this one..
25 posted on 08/29/2017 4:49:44 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Even Chomsky Agrees. It may feel good, and they may well deserve it, but violence against neo-Nazis only helps sustain a dynamic at which the Nazis will prevail.

The "Nazis" will prevail, eh? Presumably that means "Trump supporters"? Because everyone knows there aren't enough true "Nazis" in the country to prevail at anything.

It's incredible how Media outlets can inject such abject, clumsy propaganda into a piece, starting with the very first sentence—if not the headline itself.

Noam Chomsky is right—in a certain narrow sense—but he's also dead wrong on a wider level. He's smearing "the Right"—meaning "all Trump supporters", of course, in his smug and tidy Leftist mind—by disingenuously and falsely conflating them with "Nazis" and "White Supremacists".

Chomsky frequently pulls stunts like this.

For example: I recall Chomsky commenting on gun control once, and saying words to the effect of: "Its clear that the Constitution doesn't grant any individual the right to own a gun."

Now, that is essentially true—in the sense that the Constitution doesn't grant rights at all, but simply recognizes them. But that's not how Chomsky meant it, of course. It is categorically untrue in the propagandist sense in which he framed his statement—which was as if to imply that government could actually grant "the right to own a gun" in the first place—which is patently false.

Every educated American should be well aware of the fact that government simply recognizes Rights (or not)—but it doesn't grant them. Hence, Chomsky was engaging in subtle propaganda.

For someone who wrote about and decried propaganda in American media during the Vietnam War era—Chomsky's book Manufacturing Consent purports to describe a propaganda model that can function powerfully within the framework of an ostensible "Free Press", although it is presented with his typical extreme Leftist bias—Chomsky certainly isn't averse to engaging in his own propaganda techniques himself. Indeed, he's one of the most skilled propagandists that has ever emerged from the Left.

As we all know, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and that's my general opinion of Chomsky and his radical, outside-the-mainstream ilk...

26 posted on 08/29/2017 5:46:12 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You need Violence to
Protect Nonviolence!

Okay...got it!


27 posted on 08/29/2017 7:10:57 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: sargon

Chomsky is one extraordinarily cunning linguist!!! ;)


28 posted on 08/29/2017 11:54:11 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why Antifa Nazi-Punching Is Just a Gift to the Right?

Because it reveals for all the world to see the dark, evil heart of the Left.

29 posted on 09/03/2017 7:34:57 AM PDT by Savage Beast (To the insane, the sane appear insane. MAGA = Renaissance!)
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