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“Why do the bikers use ‘us’ and ‘we’ to include the biker gangs?”

Maybe to some of them it is a distinction without a difference? Just asking . . . The biker identity is stronger?

I would like to know why the 1% criminal MC gangs are not decried. Why does the rest of the law-abiding bike population need to associate with them, at all, in any way?

The confederation of clubs seem to be a way to give cover of legitimacy to criminal gangs. Or? You point that out, and are told, well we have “common interests” such as highway safety . . .

But the confederations are controlled by the territorial outlaw gangs which also tell regular bikers how to organize their own clubs and pay dues to the likes of the Bandidos?

Any criminal MC gang that is associated with Mexican drug cartels (for example) is not patriotic, no matter how many veterans or former cops ride with them, no matter how many flags they fly, no matter how many charities they ride for, no matter what sensible legislation they lobby for.

Some of us here want to find out the truth.

So there might be several issues that are intertwined in the Waco shoot out.

The intent and behavior of LE. The intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs. The intent and behavior of the legitimate bikers who were there for the confederation meeting.

Why cannot the intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs in general be discussed here? What is the reason to divert attention back to LE and legitimate bikers, as if those issues in any way mitigate the criminality of the outlaw gangs? JUST ASKING!

So back to the original question, why don’t legitimate bikers disassociate themselves from criminal gangs? The criminality is not of minor significance . . . it is not parking tickets for parking motorcycles improperly. It affects people in all parts of the country when illegal drugs are brought in and cartels are protected.

I have an interest in knowing the truth. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. I rely on FR for information, commentary, and analysis not available elsewhere.

I am not calling anyone any names. Please return the courtesy.

Good post.

People have written about the bikers, good — bad — and some probably in between.

People have written, mostly negatively, about law enforcement.

One thing left out is the community of greater Waco, TX. Around 250,000 people that hired law enforcement, to keep law & order.

Motorcycle criminals disrupt order. Assume there were 200 bikers, and assume there were 160 of them that are generally law abiding.

If I lived in Waco, I would tell the 160 to take their get-together someplace else. And I would expect my police force to watch the bikers, even to suggest they take their get-together someplace else.

Law enforcement is not the reason for the ongoing feud between Banditos and Cossacks. The reason is the biker culture, which Waco residents want to be kept away from them.

One reason good guys ride with the bad guys, is for vicarious thrills. It is sort of measured risk taking. An assumption they can go out for a ride that day, and not have a horrible experience simply because they didn’t stay well clear of the bad guys.

I believe the high bail is the way law enforcement and the judicial system in Texas sends a message to the good guys; think twice next time, before you risk the safety of innocents in our jurisdiction.

Murder and mayhem are part of outlaw biker culture. Why a truly law abiding motorcycle enthusiast would want any association with the bad guys escapes me.

Why anybody would take the side of a handful of bad guys, versus the law abiding people of the community and their law enforcement officials, escapes me.

I have seen no evidence of wrongdoing by law enforcement, just anti-cop BS. The kind of thing small time conspiracy theory people would want to spread, for their books and websites.

Meanwhile the cops go out in the REAL WORLD and put themselves in REAL DANGER, so the grownup children could safely bang away on their keyboards.

The same people that would praise a cop for risking his safety to control an inner city riot, will deride cops for risking his safety to control a Waco Texas criminal biker confab.