“Answer: Your question is loaded. What you are calling ‘adoration of biker gangs’ is perhaps better stated as ‘calling into question the circumstances of aggressive and fatal policing that may have been unwarranted and certainly was excessive’.”
Loaded question? Why don’t the bikers here condemn the actions of the biker gangs. Most won’t even call them gangs.
Why do the bikers use ‘us’ and ‘we’ to include the biker gangs?
Loaded question.
Why don’t the bikers here condemn the actions of the biker gangs.
Many of them do. Perhaps you need examples of that, too.
I, personally, am much more concerned about a group that acts under color of law, and may have started a plain-old turkey shoot, killing 9 and injuring hundreds.
Outlaw biker gangs are bad. No question.
However, outlaw police gangs -- if we find that these police qualify -- are worse.
“Why do the bikers use ‘us’ and ‘we’ to include the biker gangs?”
Maybe to some of them it is a distinction without a difference? Just asking . . . The biker identity is stronger?
I would like to know why the 1% criminal MC gangs are not decried. Why does the rest of the law-abiding bike population need to associate with them, at all, in any way?
The confederation of clubs seem to be a way to give cover of legitimacy to criminal gangs. Or? You point that out, and are told, well we have “common interests” such as highway safety . . .
But the confederations are controlled by the territorial outlaw gangs which also tell regular bikers how to organize their own clubs and pay dues to the likes of the Bandidos?
Any criminal MC gang that is associated with Mexican drug cartels (for example) is not patriotic, no matter how many veterans or former cops ride with them, no matter how many flags they fly, no matter how many charities they ride for, no matter what sensible legislation they lobby for.
Some of us here want to find out the truth.
So there might be several issues that are intertwined in the Waco shoot out.
The intent and behavior of LE. The intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs. The intent and behavior of the legitimate bikers who were there for the confederation meeting.
Why cannot the intent and behavior of the outlaw gangs in general be discussed here? What is the reason to divert attention back to LE and legitimate bikers, as if those issues in any way mitigate the criminality of the outlaw gangs? JUST ASKING!
So back to the original question, why don’t legitimate bikers disassociate themselves from criminal gangs? The criminality is not of minor significance . . . it is not parking tickets for parking motorcycles improperly. It affects people in all parts of the country when illegal drugs are brought in and cartels are protected.
I have an interest in knowing the truth. I am trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. I rely on FR for information, commentary, and analysis not available elsewhere.
I am not calling anyone any names. Please return the courtesy.
As an example of how bad it gets, one unclever fellow made an analogy between the Hell's Angels and the US Marines.