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Lies My Teacher Told Me: The True History of the War for Southern Independence
http://www.abbevilleinstitute.org ^ | July 22, 2014 | Clyde Wilson

Posted on 05/12/2015 3:00:03 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

We Sons of Confederate Veterans are charged with preserving the good name of the Confederate soldier. The world, for the most part, has acknowledged what Gen. R. E. Lee described in his farewell address as the “valour and devotion” and “unsurpassed courage and fortitude” of the Confederate soldier. The Stephen D. Lee Institute program is dedicated to that part of our duty that charges us not only to honour the Confederate soldier but “to vindicate the cause for which he fought.” We are here to make the case not only for the Confederate soldier but for his cause. It is useless to proclaim the courage, skill, and sacrifice of the Confederate soldier while permitting him to be guilty of a bad cause.

Although their cause was lost it was a good cause and still has a lot to teach the world today.

In this age of Political Correctness there has never been a greater need and greater opportunity to refresh our understanding of what happened in America in the years 1861–1865 and start defending our Southern forebears as strongly as they ought to be defended. There is plenty of true history available to us. It is our job to make it known.

All the institutions of American society, including nearly all Southern institutions and leaders, are now doing their best to separate the Confederacy off from the rest of American history and push it into one dark little corner labeled “ Slavery and Treason.” Being taught at every level of the educational system is the official party line that everything good that we or anyone believe about our Confederate ancestors is a myth, and by myth they mean a pack of lies that Southerners thought up to excuse their evil deeds and defeat.

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To: x

That’s pretty much what I suspected. Everybody underestimated Abe in the beginning. Even his own cabinet thought they could manipulate and control him. One of the most interesting things about Lincoln is that all but one of these men eventually became his devoted supporters.


241 posted on 05/13/2015 3:49:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: central_va
So you deny that Davis suspended habeus corpus, or that he raised an army against the US or that his supporters seized federal property?

Davis had to deal with rebellious governors, sure. They thought he was being tyrannical and responded (as they thought) accordingly.

If there was dissension and disorder in the Confederacy, it wasn't because Davis was any great libertarian. It was because others in the government really didn't respect him or feel the need to obey him.

242 posted on 05/13/2015 3:51:54 PM PDT by x
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To: x
So you deny that Davis suspended habeus corpus,

The Confederate Constitution provided for the suspension of habeas corpus:

Sec. 9 (3) The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

On February 27, 1862 the Confederate Congress vested in Davis the power to suspend Habeas Corpus. On March 1, 1862 Davis used this power, suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus and declaring martial law in a ten-mile radius around the City of Richmond.

It was legal for him to do so.

243 posted on 05/13/2015 4:02:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
After April 1862, when President Davis declared martial law in East Tennessee and suspended the writ of habeas corpus, thousands of Unionists saw their property seized. In Shelton Laurel, a remote valley in Appalachian North Carolina, Confederate soldiers in January 1863 murdered thirteen Unionist prisoners in cold blood. Solomon Jones, the "Union patriarch" of the South Carolina mountains, was driven from his farm, forced to live in the woods, and eventually jailed by Confederate authorities. Throughout the upcountry Unionists abandoned their homes to hide from the conscription officers and Confederate sheriffs who hunted them, as they had once hunted runaway slaves, with bloodhounds; some found refuge in the very mountain caves that had once sheltered fugitives from bondage.
244 posted on 05/13/2015 4:08:09 PM PDT by x
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Open season on Union loyalists. And that’s a surprise? A war was going on and most people have a thing against traitors.


245 posted on 05/13/2015 4:56:19 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: central_va
“Hate’’ is a powerful emotional investment I make sparingly General.I do that because hate often leads to resentment and as a wise man once noted, "Nothing consumes a man more completely than a passion for resentment''. Something you ought to think about. I don't like big government, I'm not in favor of it at all, to say the least which is why among many reasons, I went from being a liberal to a conservative. As far as patriotism I go with Mark Twain's observation on the subject: "Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time and your government when it deserves it''. This current administration hasn't done anything for me to feel patriotic about.
246 posted on 05/13/2015 5:02:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (`)
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To: NKP_Vet
Open season on Union loyalists. And that’s a surprise? A war was going on and most people have a thing against traitors.

And then you go and complain about Sherman.

247 posted on 05/13/2015 5:03:54 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: rockrr

Try exercising some of you Devine rights and get back to me. You must truly understand the point im making. The slave can’t cary his ax into the masters house. Try to exercise your God given rights in a government building and tell me we are not slaves at some point. It may be semantics but I assume your not obtuse since your here.


248 posted on 05/13/2015 5:04:26 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: rockrr

Sumter was annexed. Politely asked the federal government to leave. They reinforced.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Really. We can’t disolve political bands ever and reclaim our sovereign property ever.


249 posted on 05/13/2015 5:07:59 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree it had failings. I agree it was the wrong cause and so much but still I have a true belief in ....

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

It’s true then and now. I will put you on the Nay side of the vote.


250 posted on 05/13/2015 5:10:18 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: jmacusa

Try arguing moral code against legal law in courts. Doesn’t work. Wish it did. We have individual liberty and morals set in stone by law. They don’t match. Go bake your homo cake it’s the law.


251 posted on 05/13/2015 5:12:17 PM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: wgmalabama

I don’t agree with what the court is doing to decent people in face of the gay mafia. It’s an abomination. Do Muslims get away with discrimination against the queers?


252 posted on 05/13/2015 5:19:34 PM PDT by jmacusa (`)
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To: NKP_Vet

But they weren’t traitors - they just didn’t want to side with the insurrectionists.


253 posted on 05/13/2015 5:20:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: wgmalabama

I had to renew a permit and that necessitated a trip to the county seat. I carry and I had no problem. Of course I wasn’t going into a courtroom but I don’t view that limitation as even jiggling the needle on my Tyrannometer.


254 posted on 05/13/2015 5:30:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: wgmalabama

I wouldn’t. Secession £ think can be done if its for valid reasons. I do not believe keeping people as slaves is a vaid reasn for secession.

They were not considered people and could be murdered at will. Not done lightly but it could be done without being considered murder. therefore an incredibly immoral, and evil, invalid reason for secession.

there would hsve been zero harmony between the two nations. No chance. There wasn t even before The split. Like splitting would have made it better.

I believe there are valid reasons for a split. I dont believe every reason automatically is a valid reason.


255 posted on 05/13/2015 5:32:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: wgmalabama

Sumter wasn’t “annexed” - it was illegally seized as an act of direct provocation. An incredibly stupid thing to do. They that did it have no room to complain about the union forcefully taking it back.


256 posted on 05/13/2015 5:32:44 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: wgmalabama

The slavocracy disrespected those hallowed words and the men who wrote them.


257 posted on 05/13/2015 5:34:10 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: wgmalabama
Sumter was annexed.

So all that anyone needs to do to sieze a US military installation is announce that it's yours now?

258 posted on 05/13/2015 5:38:38 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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To: wgmalabama
...a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation

Funny thing about that. Of the few southern states that actually did show that decent respect and declare their causes, the protection of slavery was overwhelmingly the reason they cited for their actions.

259 posted on 05/13/2015 5:44:45 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels." --Tom Waits)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
So all that anyone needs to do to sieze a US military installation is announce that it's yours now?

I call dibs on whatever we have in Hawaii.

260 posted on 05/13/2015 5:46:01 PM PDT by x
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