Posted on 06/04/2014 9:51:45 PM PDT by boatbums
We can republish this story for as long as you need to express your contempt for the Church.
You realize it wasn’t the Catholics that helped to perpetuate that Nazi slaughters, right?
In all fairness, 2Div, that is not exactly what was said. I first read it the way you seem to have and was going to comment that LDS, Watchtower groups, and Christadelphians are not Christian (the post doesn't mention the word Protestant) groups, then I re-read it.
If it's a non-trinitarian group it isn't Christian in the first place... ;-) The post states "Several nontrinitarian religious groups also oppose infant baptism, including Oneness Pentecostals, Christadelphians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, United Church of God, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[56] and the Community of Christ."
Not trying to incite anything here, just stating that I read it wrong the first time too..
I'll leave the discussion of whether baptizing an infant does anything more than create a wet baby for another time, other than to state that some guy named Peter mentioned a certain order in Acts 2:38, that being "Repent and be baptized.." Not sure how an infant repents.
>> And the haters want to make this into a scandal. Sad.
Of course. The case certainly deserves scrutiny, but the gratuitous hysteria kinda gets in the way.
Exactly. These were the bodies of dead new borns, sick new borns and small children etc. Does not prove anything about wrong doing.
Here’s a link about Bethany Home, a Protestant home for unwed mothers in County Dublin. They lost 29 babies in 1936 alone, and they buried 219 babies in unmarked graves over a period of about 25 years. They were accused of proselytising the unwed mothers and their families and visitors, and if they succeeded in converting a Roman Catholic, there were accusations that the convert was rewarded with lowered fees.
I’m shocked that the Church of Ireland allowed innocent children to be starved and mistreated in this way. In one investigation of more than 100 deaths at the home, over 50 died of “convulsions,” and more than 25% died of “heart failure.” Yeah, riiight. It’s obvious that they were murdered by their Protestant caretakers. (Just using the logic of the Catholic bashers here in order to make my unsupported accusations.)
I never really understood the whole Baptism differences. I was raised in a Baptist church. When I became “saved” I was encouraged to follow it up in obedience and sealing of the Holy Spirit with a baptism. Catholics baptize them as babies why exactly? Do they think that if a baby who wasn’t baptized passes away the child’s soul won’t be with Jesus? Or is it just simply a symbolic ritual consecrating the child to Catholicism?
Not me. After 25 years of working I wish I could retire. But, I have another 25 years to go until I can:( My home is not as clean as I’d like and I don’t have as much time for my grandson as I’d like, etc. There just doesn’t seem to be enough time or energy for things anymore.
There’s a movie that came out about 10 years ago called “The Magdalene sisters.” It’s based on true accounts of some girls who lived in one of the homes for “fallen” women that the Catholic church ran. It starts off with the main character at a party and her cousin lures her into a closet or small room and rapes her. She’s devastated and tells her sister, who tells her mother, and so on. Anyhow she ends up being blamed for the rape, at least partially, and gets sent to this place where some of the nuns can be pretty cruel.
And how do you get from "adoption" to "hid the remains"?
Adoption led to a better life than living in poverty with the biological mother. We should do more of that here in the US, rather than subsidizing the unwed moms.
RIP all victims...
So they took and in-ground cement vault, disconnected it from the septic system (it was converted, remember) and used it as a mass tomb. What is hideous about that?
“I am glad to see that women are finally waking up from the misconception that they absolutely have to have a job in order to have a meaningful life. But the previous situation where women were strongly discouraged from working, or working in menial jobs until they could snag a husband, was just as bad.”
Good points, but I think most women today are looking at their lives as bachelor men and realizing they are completely meaningless. Pets and causes du jour like environmentalism will never replace propagation of the species.
“A lot of women who now can freely choose a career are choosing it over life as a homemaker.”
For many there is no longer a choice because nobody will breed with them.
“FYI, I’m sure that there were mass gravesites in America’s heartland during the Depression that contained the remains of poor people too. The reality is that poverty decreases the health and well-being of its victims, which increases the risk of malnutrition, diseases, premature death, and no money for a headstone.”
The cemetery for Letchworth (next to Harriman State Park in Rockland County NY) is stark; it was a mental institution, and the cemetery markers are mostly numbered plates (no names). NYC has an island with a potters field (still used today); there is nothing else there.
“Even when the article is full of conjecture and snide innuendo, the hate just oozes forth.”
My wife asked me yesterday about this story, and at the time I didn;t know anything about it. I told her I’d look it up, and wondered what the source’s agenda was. She asked if it might be that the story was true (as portrayed - with conjecture and snide innuendo), and I said there was a remote possibility it could be, but it was much more likely that it was simply a spun attack on the Church. I told her she really had to view these things with a critical eye, and ask herself what was the intent of those controlling the media in releasing any story.
Just more attacks on the Church & childbearing itself from the Masters of the Lie.
“Ireland was a nasty place. The Church worked hard made it more cruel. All the excuses in the world can’t explain why they dumped those innocent wretches out into, at best, a converted septic tank. They should have has a burial in a church cemetery. But they were bigots and cruel, and so they refused.”
Sensationalism aside, compare the coverage of this with the Gosnell trial (or anything related to the American Holocaust of abortion) - and they haven’t used this grave in over 50 years. Between 1926 and 1961, who was going to pay for 800+ graves? This was the Ireland of “Angela’s Ashes”.
We live in a country where abortion is so widespread, and criticize those who looked for an alternative (again, for less than half a century, ending over half a century ago). Ireland’s respect for life is probably the main reason it has the highest “white” birth rate in Western Europe.
Not surprised in the least bit. I lived in Mexico for much of the 90’s. I remember reading in the local paper one day about an old Nunnery being demo’ed, and behind one of the walls....lo and behold....the skeletal remains of dozens of infant babies/and pregnant nuns. Walled up and murdered like garbage.
I see the word evil being thrown around on the thread. Who’s evil, those who did it or those who point it out?
If you’ve spent any time on these forums, you know they will do the same for their political side, too.
That being said,
I do think that many articles like this come from an anti-Catholic premise, however. People have noticed the prevalence of this bias and gotten hypersensitive about it. I’m a Protestant, myself, but there’s plenty of general anti-Christian bias in the culture, too, especially depending where you live.
Evidently knowing exactly who and where and what time period old bones are from is difficult. Look at all the drama in my state(WA) over Kennewick man.
Magdalene laundries, right? I wanted to see that.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what happened with me.
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