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To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Admin Moderator; WildHighlander57

“Thanks for the Ping.

Sven should go next, and indeed should have gotten the hammer long, long ago for incessantly putting up posit after posit as if they are fact, without any supporting documenation/link.

Hiding behind a supposed fear of violating the Privacy Act when the fate of the entire nation hangs in the balance doesn’t wash. If you’ve got the goods, drop them and let The Powers That Be publicly prosecute you for their unlawful possession/release. The courtroom drama would do the Republic much good.”

AdminModerator;

I’ve been very patient with ConcernedFreepers lobbying for me to violate the Privacy Act. I’ve explained to them violating the Privacy Act will not accomplish their goal of submitting evidence to any Court or any administrative proceeding in the United States.

Evidence obtained illegally is inadmissible. Obtaining evidence protected by the Privacy Act is illegal. Lobbying a person to obtain evidence illegally is conspiracy to commit a crime. Since Obama’s Certificate of Naturalation issued to him in 1983 is a Federal document, lobbying others to obtain and publish a document protected by the Privacy Act is a Federal crime.

Please review the post of Flotsam_Jetsome and Wildhiglander57. They are is clearly lobbying me to commit a Federal crime and post Obama’s private records. While posting his private records will be gratuitous and salacious, it cannot be used in Court because it was illegally obtained. I’ve explained to many ConcernedFreepers a method to obtain Obama’s private records legally, through a civil suit, and it upsets them.

In a civil suit, the allegations made in a complaint are considered to be true until they are successfully defended by the defendant(s). Obama’s private records; specifically, his Certificate of Naturalization, can be subpoenaed if the civil suit survives a motion to dismiss.

ConcernFreepers have been able to maintain the false narrative a civil suit against Obama can only be successfull if his private records are posted publicly before trail. Ironically, a judge in a civil suit doesn’t need pre-trial evidence because the allegations in the complaint are considered to be true while the judge conducts a hearing for any responsive pleading, i.e. a motion to dismiss. The allegations are considered to be true until a defendant successfully demonstrates the allegations not to be true. It is during the discovery process, after a hearing on any responsive pleading, the plaintiff may legally obtain a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization.

Send a message, AdminModerator. Let the ConcernedFreepers know statements of fact are acceptable on FreeRepublic.com and lobbying Freepers to commit a Federal Crime is not acceptable on FreeRepublic.com.

Thank you for your time and consideration.


695 posted on 03/06/2013 8:36:17 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Obama has a tell. When his lips are moving, you can tell he's lying.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Then why don’t you file the civil suit?


696 posted on 03/06/2013 9:45:46 AM PST by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
In a civil suit, the allegations made in a complaint are considered to be true until they are successfully defended by the defendant(s). Obama’s private records; specifically, his Certificate of Naturalization, can be subpoenaed if the civil suit survives a motion to dismiss.

Oh, no, no, no. That is not how it works!

I am not a lawyer, but just watching Judge Judy will teach you the basics.

If you are suing someone, you need evidence. You can't just waltz in with allegations and expect the judge to side with you. You have to make your case.

If you're suing a wedding caterer for doing an inadequate job, you have to bring in your contract and evidence such as witnesses. Your word alone isn't enough.

Think about the huge patent lawsuits between companies such as Apple and Samsung. Do you think the suing company just comes in alleging that the other company has infringed on their patents and the judge will assume the allegations are true??? Heavens no! The suing company will spend hundreds of hours gathering evidence that they have to present to the court. It's only after they presented their case that the defendant responds.

If the defendant feels that the suing party hasn't presented sufficient evidence, they really don't have to do much. Is someone claims you keyed their car, but they don't know you from Adam and they have no witnesses, all you have to do is say, No, I wasn't there. You would win. They haven't carried their burden.

So no, you can't just go to court and allege that Obama is a naturalized citizen and he would have to produce proof he isn't. You, as the suing party, have to provide sufficient evidence to convince the court of that fact. Allegations are not presumed to be true. Only evidence counts in a court.

698 posted on 03/06/2013 10:25:23 AM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: SvenMagnussen; WildHighlander57
Spare me your persecution complex. Dumping tea in Boston's harbor wasn't exactly "legal" either, and although not litigated in a court of law, seems to have had quite a dramatic effect in the court of public opinion. I can say this much: If I actually had access to or possession of the incriminating documents you allude to, I would make sure they found their way into the public domain, and damn the consequences. You're comparing a "violation of the Privacy Act" against the theft of the Office of President of the United States? Really??

None of the foregoing really matter however, because it should be pretty obvious by now that you've got nothing and are simply trolling these threads either to disrupt them or simply to gain attention.

FWIW, I will never again comment to you or about you on this forum until you've followed your sock puppet, Todd Rodriguez on a one-way ride off the site.

713 posted on 03/06/2013 12:47:20 PM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome ("Obama": His entire life is Photoshopped.)
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To: SvenMagnussen; Flotsam_Jetsome; Admin Moderator; WildHighlander57; LucyT; GregNH

Sven,

We’re now living under a full-fledged communist system with all its in-your-face intimidation, threatening and silencing opposition mostly by the Chicago Mafia’s offers many can’t refuse.

Are you trying to say that you committed a federal crime and illegally obtained evidence that threatens a communist dictator and his regime, yet they left you alone for a year or more?

If so, there are two possible explanations for leaving you alone:

1- They checked you out and found that you’re just bragging and you have nothing, which is a known disease afflicting anonymous Internet posters, OR,

2- They didn’t need to check you out because you’re on their team and a disruptive force on the eligibility threads.

In fact, you have the gall to accuse FReepers who are in two camps fighting it out on FR threads of being “OBOTS and ConcernedFreepers!” This didn’t happen once, rather, repeated by your zotted mouthpiece Todd Rodriguez and followed by a third time whining to the mods.

I made life easier for you by giving you a multiple choice, so which will it be, door 1 or door 2?

I’m afraid, Sven, should you decide to answer, you will have to do it on your own this time because you can’t answer through Todd Rodriguez anymore.

If you don’t answer, it’ll speak volumes about what you’re doing here.


714 posted on 03/06/2013 12:48:49 PM PST by melancholy
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