Looks like 15th March, 1965.
Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.
I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
“Do you think Stanley Ann influenced him or coached him to do it in front of a embassy official?”
Another question is - why would she want him to give up his US citizenship while keeping her US citizenship?
Not sure - I dont think Virginia Goeldner mentioned that. Facts only state that Barry came over to live with his grandmother at age 10, so that would be about late 70 or early 71— Came over from where? I dont know. Im sure barack sr would have to give madelyn custody of barry if something like that happened. i will look around and see were he came from—
From the Soetoro FIOA file.
“There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).”
In the response from W. L. Mix:
“Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants’ spouse’s child by a former marriage.”
“The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”
Is an adopted child still legally referred to as a stepchild?
The 1952 McCarron-Walters Act:
Section 101 (b) As used in titles I and II -
(1) The term “child” means an unmarried person under twenty-one years of age who is -
(A) a legitimate child; or
(B) a stepchild, provided the child had not reached the age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred; or
(C) a child legitimated under the law of the child’s residence or domicile, or under the law of the father’s residence or domicile, whether in or outside the United States, if such legitimation takes place before the child reaches the age eighteen years and the child is in the legal custody of the legitimating parent or parents at the time of such legitimation.
Mix said that Obama fit under 101 (b)(1)(B) for a stepchild. But if he had been adopted in Hawaii wouldn’t he be under 101 (b)(1)(C) for “a child legitimated under the law”?
Sven Rodriquez,
Any documentation of your speculation?
Also why did they use the Catholic Social Services of Connecticut when they could have used the Cathoic Charities Hawaii, who did the same type of refugee work?
Y’ll have a good weekend.
Copies of the CLN are sent by the State Department to the IRS, DHS, FBI and (probably the CIA, but that is not publicly acknowledged).
Posting of Obama’s private information he chooses to keep private is illegal. It violates the Privacy Act.
Obama waived his right to the Privacy Act with respect to his vital record held by the HI DOH when he requested a copy of the document and published it on his website. Re-publishing a document someone has intentionally made public is not a violation of the Privacy Act.
As he obtained a copy of the vital record created for him and held for him by the HI DOH, he is entitled to request a copy of his immigration files, SSN files, his college applications and his passport files. Obama may have obtained copies of these records, but he has not published them. Anyone publishing those records would be in violation of Federal Law unless they had his expressed written permission or a Court order.
This does not negate the fact the records exist. This does not negate the fact they have been seen by others. If you’ll recall, the same scenario was played out when former elections clerk Tim Adams announced Obama’s OLFBC did not exist.
OBOTS said:
Tim Allen has no proof ...
Tim Allen didn’t have access and couldn’t be in a position to know ...
Tim Allen wasn’t an elections supervisor. He was a temp clerk who’s lying, has not published proof and couldn’t know anything about Obama’s OLFBC.
Later, the State of Hawaii admitted Tim Allen was a former elections supervisor and he was in a position to know such things. And now we have OBOTS and ConcernedFreepers demanding Obama’s right to privacy be violated or shut up. And the misguided meme about Obama having an abbreviated, short form BC is proof a long form does not exist. When a Court hears testimony and examines evidence of a birth in Hawaii, the Court may Order a vital record to be created and “filed.” If not, the record the record is created and “accepted” by the registrar.
The fact is Soetoro adopted Obama. Adoptions are not immediate. It can take several years. Obama was Soetoro’s step-son before he was his adopted son. The adoption was annulled in 1971 when BHO Sr. returned to Hawaii to complain his parental rights have been stripped from him without his knowledge or consent. The Soetoro COLB was sealed and archived by Order of the Court, as was Obama’s OLFBC. A new COLB naming BHO Sr as the father was Ordered to be “filed”. The Obama COLB is the only vital record available to be used as proof of birth in Hawaii. Court Ordered sealed records cannot be used in any Court or administrative hearing for any reason.
Proof before a trial can begin is another OBOT meme to protect Obama. In all civil matters, the Court rules dictate the Judge is to read a complaint from the perspective the allegations made are true until successfully defended. If there is no defense, the Court must proceed to a hearing on damages because the allegations continue to be considered true.
Demanding certified, authenticated proof before trial is a way for OBOTs to discourage civil suits from being heard.
“Also why did they use the Catholic Social Services of Connecticut when they could have used the Cathoic Charities Hawaii, who did the same type of refugee work?”
In 1971, only two organizations were contracting with U.S. Federal government to take legal custody of unaccompanied minors with foreign nationality at a border crossing/ port of entry ... Catholic Social Services of CT and Lutheran Social Services. Lutheran Social Services focused their work on the East Coast of the U.S., while Catholic Social Services of CT covered the entire U.S.
Today, many organizations contract with the Federal government to take custody of unaccompanied minors with foreign nationality at a border crossing/port of entry.
I think you’ve figured it out. Credit to the All Stars (here) on their assists. What to do... hmmm. I’m reluctant to say what should be done. It’s founder/framer specific. I got your back.
- 1968 Obama comes off his mothers US passport. In fact that is the only change during this amendment.”
[It could also have been to get him his own US passport, especially if they were planning on sending him back to the US alone. Didn’t he make a several trips to the US [Christmas, 1969; to interview at Punahou school before bneing accepted] before he returned for good. Was SAD with him on those trips?]
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Disclosure of his passports and INS records after this event in 1968 would be interesting and may completely clear this up. Or it may confirm the suspicions. In either case the records remain out of public view.
Besides Brennan took care of those in 2008.
Does anybody think that Barack Obama would permit any evidence of a Certificate of Loss of Nationality or an Indonesian adoption to still exist anywhere on this planet? If you were him, would you allow pieces of paper to derail your candidacy or your administration?
Records wouldn’t have been hidden, they would have been purged, years ago, before running for president.
Indonesian (or Kenyan) records would be paper and pen from Third World nations in the pre-computer era. That means easily eliminated with a match.
FWWIW I don’t believe anyone died in 1970. That sounds like Madelyn trying to explain to her relatives why she was looking after ‘Barry’ when they asked her.
It’s an indication that Virginia and her husband had no idea that the Dunhams had a ‘grandson’ - as one of the employees at the Bank also commented - they had no idea the boy existed until she showed up with him when he was about ten years old.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2162856/posts
The article has been removed and another was written a very short time later to replace it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/president-obama-2010-complete-return.pdf
“INHERIT”
Doesn’t seem to state from WHOM. Good find, I always wondered where that information came from.
It looks like the inherited items were sold at a loss in 2009. I think someone who understands US Taxation returns needs to take a look and tell us what the entry indicates.
Looks like 15th March, 1965.
“Obama, a child of divorced parents, had to renounce his U.S. Citizenship to petition the Indonesian government for citizenship. We know he was successful because he was identified as an Indonesian on his 1968 school record as Indonesian.”
IMO we do not know Barry renounced his citizenship based on this school ledger.
An entry by a parent in a school registration ledger is merely an unsubstantiated claim by the parent that would have no weight in any US court or with INS. Lolo and/or Ann could have put down an untruthful statement just to get Barry into the school. If such a statement was not audited or reviewed by any state official, they could have gotten away with it.
Thanks.
That is a better copy than what I had.
March 15, 1965 looks correct.
Here is a collaborating article on the 1965 date.
http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/News/Announcements/Dunham/dunham.html
But even this has an interesting line....(this is a quick sidebar)....
“AD: Despite some reports that she majored in mathematics, she majored in anthropology here at the University of Hawai‘i (BA 1967, Department of Anthropology, prior to the MA and PhD). “
The ‘some reports’ come from - University of Hawaii!
http://math-hawaii-edu.appspot.com/?math_news
“Dunham received a BA in Mathematics from UH-Manoa in 1967, then went on to earn an MA (1983) and PhD (1992) in Anthropology from UH. “
[End sidebar]
Some links with the incorrect 1967 date. All still active.
Metapedia
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ann_Dunham_Soetoro
“In 1967 Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian oil manager and practicing Muslim whom she meet at the university. “
Time article - April 2008
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1729685-4,00.html
“He was easygoing, happily devoting hours to playing chess with Ann’s father and wrestling with her young son. Lolo proposed in 1967.”
Oft refereed Sodahead
“Two years later, when her son was five, dunham married Lolo Soetoro. an indonesian oil manager and practicing muslim whome she met at the University. In 1967 they moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. While in Indonesia Ann got a job at the american Embassy teaching english. Barak’s half sister, Maya Soetoro was born in Indonesia.”
[Note the specific reference to the son being 5 above. Sorry Sodahead - it was 1965 and he was merely 3. ]
Biography Channel - a well known cable TV channel
http://www.biography.com/people/ann-dunham-434238
“Polite, even-tempered Soetoro was an international master’s student from Indonesia. In 1967 he proposed to Dunham. Once married, Ann changed her surname to Soetoro and the new family relocated to Indonesia near the city of Jakarta. In 1970, Ann gave birth to daughter Maya.”
The number of references to the incorrect 1967 seem almost universal in 2008. As if were being fed out time and time again from a common source. And one that did not want too much digging into the implications of the connections to Indonesia.
Obots use to fly in rage on this board when the subject of Indonesia was raised instead of Hawaii or Kenya. Wonder why.
A decent summary from 2009....
http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2009/08/was-obama-adopted-by-indonesian-citizen.html
http://www.theconservativebrawler.com/2009/07/those-crazy-birthers-obama-eligibility.html
Lia described how that boy used to listen and watch political speeches on TV and write them down, and then repeat them to her complete with gestures, and some of them were so long that she almost fell asleep.
There's an article in which it's stated that zero said he went to Indonesia when he was two years of age. There's a long long way to go yet before what really went on is discovered, if ever.
His kindergarten records from Hawaii have been 'lost' according to legend, and the one and only image of him with kindergarten children which includes the Nordyke twins and little Scott Inoue with whom he was shown in grade three in 1969 in Hawaii leave huge question marks.
FROM YOUR LINK:
Endowment to honor alumna
Posted on November 22, 2010 by David Ross
The University of Hawaii Foundation is forming an endowment fund that will honor the late Stanley Ann Dunham, a UH-Manoa Mathematics alumna and President Barack Obama’s mother. Fundraising is just beginning for the endowment, a partnership between the UH Foundation and the East-West Center. University officials say the fund will support an endowed chair in the anthropology department and scholarships for students focused on that field and other social sciences. Dunham received a BA in Mathematics from UH-Manoa in 1967, then went on to earn an MA (1983) and PhD (1992) in Anthropology from UH. The fund is in the name of Ann Dunham Soetoro, the name Obama’s mother adopted after marrying her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. She also used the name during years of anthropology studies.
It’s so very important for us to see her as being ANN DUNHAM Or ANN OBAMA or ANN SOETORO - when she herself, swore on a declaration I posted on this very thread, that she was ALWAYS KNOWN AS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM OR STANLEY ANN SOETORO.
She also states quite clearly on that same declaration the NAME UNDER WHICH SHE WAS ENROLLED AT THE U OF HI. AND THAT WAS ALSO STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.
They are continuously peeing on your leg and telling you it’s raining. Over and over again. It’s like the thick swamp on the way to the source of the NILE. It’s so thick it’s almost impossible to navigate.
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