Sheriff Joe Now Investigating Obama Alias Harry Bounel: Obama Mama In WA In 1961 (Arpaio)

BirtherReport.com ^ | February 25, 2013 | Al Hendershot

[Seizethecarp]

Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.

I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.

[4Zoltan]

Why does Bounel’s name first appear in the database in November, 2009?

If someone fills out a store credit app and buts down a fake name with Obama’s SSN will it appear in these databases?

[Fred Nerks]

I understand skip-tracing in Australia, but I do not know how your data-bases in the US are collated. We do not have Social Security number in Oz. You need to ask someone with a background in that ‘profession’ or perhaps a PI could tell you.

[Seizethecarp]

Does the following comment attributed to Mary Toutonghi sound like she doesn’t believe that the mother of baby Barry is Stanley Ann Dunham? Of course not. Nor does Mary sound like she is hiding the identity of Barry’s “true” mom as being her distant cousin by marriage, Valerie Sarruf!

http://redoubtreporter.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-baby-sitter-awaits-new-era.html

“We talked, but I can’t say, if I had been really strong friends I would have kept up the relationship. It was interesting to me as I read that book, his first book, I was thinking of his mother, then finding out she had died I felt very badly. I had meant to try to contact her through the publisher, but I didn’t get around to it. It was one of those things.”

There isn’t a single document that Mal-Val supporters have pointed to supporting an alternate Anna Obama in Seattle or anywhere in 1961, as they claim.

If the U of WA transcript was forged to show SADO there, then the letter and transcript from the U of HI incorporating her U of WA credits must also be forged.

Let’s not forget the INS FOIA docs that anticipate the then pregnant co-ed wife of BHO Sr. going to WA to attend college beginning in the Fall of 1961 after their baby is to be born. So all of the AIN FIOA docs must have been forged in the grand Mal-Val conspiracy theory.

[Fred Nerks]

Atempts to share information with you over a period of at least a year haven’t worked. Replying to your comments haven’t worked either. You absolutely refuse any further information to be entered into, you totally ignore links and sources, if it doesn’t fit your template, it has to be ‘incoherent’ and I’ve told you a number of times to get off my back. From now on, I will simply avail myself of the posting privileges I enjoy and continue, whilst ignoring you. I’ll continue to tell the story as I see it, and let others decide if there’s any merit to be found. Freepers, feel free to ask me anything you want, and I’ll try to answer as truthfully as I can. I’ve been here since 2003 and probably forgotten more than ‘seizure’ has ever learned.

[4Zoltan]

“perhaps a PI could tell you.”

That’s one of those strange things about Bounel - PI Susan Daniels didn’t find him in her searches of the databases. She’s the one who first reported the 1890 DOB.

But IIRC all of her searches were in the spring of 2009, so that may be the reason.

[Fred Nerks]

It’s just too easy to be misled by names that appear on sites like Zaba Search and Intelus for example. Someone with an assumed name could rent an apartment for example...or apply for a loan, and there they are. Listed. Isn’t that how it works?
How many employers or loan companies or landlords check out Social Security numbers? I can’t answer that...from where I am.

[AppyPappy]

She left Hawaii after Obama was born and moved to Washington State to go to school.

[Brown Deer]

That’s one of those strange things about Bounel...

He showed up about the same time that he created his Facebook Account

[Brown Deer]

he thinks that Mary imagined her first living child being 18 months old and she imagined being pregnant with her first born son who would later become a vice-president of the largest software company in the world (that nobody ever even imagined would exist way back then) and she imagined buying her first home and she imagined her husband graduating from college.

and to top it off, we had a conspiracy of imaginations 50 years ago in Seattle, with a future FReeper imagining that he was at the University of Washington and imagining what he saw in the transcript books. ;-)

[Fred Nerks]

Let me walk you through it again with photographs. Once upon a time there were two little boys, one was about seven months older than the other, one was a lot darker than the other, the darker boy went to live in Kenya with his father and his stepmother Ruth, you see him in the second photograph when he's old enough to come to her waist, she's holding the child who was born in 1965, so that makes the older of the two boys shown with his father about five years of age.

The younger, lighter boy is zero. We call him that because we don't know his name. He's sitting there beside the child who was born early in 1961. He's probably the child Mary baby-sat, if she baby-sat anyone. How the two boys came to be together is anyone's guess. But there they are, in the same place at the same time.

The darker child would be the original Barack Hussein Obama 2, who was more than likely born in Hawaii to ANN S OBAMA or ANNA OBAMA...she's the same person but she isn't Stanley Ann Dunham.

The reason no one can find David, who 'ran away from home in Nairobi and died in a motor cycle accident' is because there never was a David. There was only ever the dark boy who went to live in Kenya with his father and stepmother. And he's the boy named Barack Obama Malik says he played with - and when he grew up, according to Malik, he taught school in Uganda.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks chicken head.

[Fred Nerks]

Poor Mary. I bet she wishes she hadn’t opened her mouth. Up until that phone call, her only claim to fame was she attended school with the children of Bob Hope.

[Seizethecarp]

“The younger, lighter boy is zero. We call him that because we don’t know his name. He’s sitting there beside the child who was born early in 1961.”

Fred Nerks is being coy. The Mal-Val narrative is based on the lighter boy not being not his true identity of David but being the current POTUS and claimed son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf.

“The darker child would be the original Barack Hussein Obama 2, who was more than likely born in Hawaii to ANN S OBAMA or ANNA OBAMA...she’s the same person but she isn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.”

If the “darker boy” was born in early 1961, that child could NOT have been seven months old in January 1961 when Mary Toutonghi’s daughter was 18 months old, the date her memory would place the babysitting as Fred Nerks just claimed up-thread.

As extensively discussed in the Mal-Val narrative thread, Fred Nerks claims that the “darker child” is an African-Asian child who grew up to be Roman Obama whose mother was a Filipina claimed to be named Anna Obama.

But the picture of the two boys came from Mark Ndesandjo’s personal collection and Mark says the “darker boy” is him and the lighter boy his brother David. Mark was born in 965 and David in 1968, so the picture was actually taken in around 1970 when they and their parents were all in Kenya together. There is no date and place for these pictures at which the alternate identities of Roman, the “darker boy” and “zero” the current POTUS and son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf can work.

A woman named Anna posed in a picture with BHO Sr. at a Nachmanoff party in HI (FN claims she is Filipina), she supposedly marries him (somewhere, no record) gives birth to Roman who is initially named the first BHO II in HI in 1960 or 1961 (no record).

Then Filipina Mrs. Anna Obama takes baby Roman to Seattle and is there in January 1961 (no record in Polk, or student transcript at U of WA) and babysat by Marry Toutonghi when Mary’s baby was 18 months old. This narrative is ALL driven off of Mary’s memory 47 years later that her baby was 18 months old when she babysat a 7-month old half-black baby (nothing about the baby being half-Asian, mind you).

This narrative has zero documentary support for the Filipina Anna or her half-Asian alleged baby Roman anywhere.

Mysteriously at some time after January 1961 Filipina Anna flat-out disappears (supposedly she is a wife of BHO Sr. referred to in a 1964 INS FOIA doc with no corroboration of an Anna Obama in the Philippines or anywhere), and, BHO Sr. takes Baby Roman back to Kenya (1964?) with his new wife Ruth where she raises Roman as her own for a time and appears in several pictures with Roman and baby “Zero”.

Baby “Zero” somehow makes it back from Kenya to be turned over to the care of Stanley Ann in around 1964 and grows up to be POTUS. The Mal-Val narrative requires that Stanley Ann never had any physical connection to POTUS Barry until around 1964 or so when he was smuggle back from Africa.

According to the Mal-Val narrative POTUS Barry’s dad is Malcolm X who impregnated Barry’s mom is Valerie Sarruf but there is no evidence I have seen that they were ever together or any documentation of a birth location or identity for POTUS Barry.

The Mal-Val narrative timeline for the alternate identities for Filipina Anna, the “darker boy” and “zero” simply don’t work at numerous points as laboriously discussed in the Mal-Val thread. Nor is there any documentation for any of these claimed alternate Mal-Val narrative identities.

The Mal-Val narrative requires a conspiracy theory level of multiple document forgeries in numerous states and the swapping of multiple identities in multiple countries.

The Mal-Val narrative is beyond improbable, it is not even possible because it is incoherent and its timelines don’t work and can’t work.

[Fred Nerks]

...If the “darker boy” was born in early 1961, that child could NOT have been seven months old in January 1961 when Mary Toutonghi’s daughter was 18 months old, the date her memory would place the babysitting as Fred Nerks just claimed up-thread.

You did not read what Mary said, did you? She did NOT say how old the child was, all she said was that he was a good size. Now that's something one says about a newborn, not a child of seven months of age. As for the rest of it, I'm just plain sick and tired of you. You want the thread pulled because you don't like the content? By all means, do your worst, but hear this - I'll keep posting what I want to post again and again, and I don't care if your head explodes.

[Fred Nerks]

You really need to get about more, not all women from the Philipennes are slanty-eyed asians, some are dark skinned, some are light, some have almond eyes and some take after their SPANISH ANCESTORS.

AND if you can find anywhere that I described ANNE/USA at the Nachmanoffs as ASIAN, let me see it. That was never how I identified that girl, all I ever did was show her photograph and suggest that this might have been the girl Neil Abercrombie remembers seeing with the kenyan on social occasions.

She didn't have to be a filipino to be living in the Philippenes, and she never looked particularly asian to me. Was she Ann S Obama or was she ANNA - who knows? She's certainly the only ANN Neil Abercrombie would have seen, the three of them were at the U of Hawaii at the same time.

I can't tell if it's your rage that doesn't allow you to see the mistakes you make, or if it's deliberate. So I will ask you again. Stay away from me.

[Nero Germanicus]

A new “Obama born, raised and growing up in Hawai’i” propaganda documentary is being released with some interesting interviews of some new people. Here is a 41 minute preview of the 2 hour film: http://vimeo.com/58641733

[Fred Nerks]

Thank you, for later, not today. I’ve had enough for one day.

[Seizethecarp]

Mary Toutonghi affirmed that the woman she babysat baby Barack Obama for was the woman we know as Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. Toutonghi had to be looking at all of her pictures in the media as well as seeing the unusual name of Barack.

Whether SADO was using Ann, Anna or any other derivative (or whether Anna is a Polk typo) is inconsequential compared to the numerous documents placing her in WA in the spring of 1962.

The Mal-Val narrative appears to require that Toutonghi had looked at all of the pictures of SADO and failed to mention that Barack’s mom didn’t look anything like SADO and was actually a petite Filipina and and that baby Barack was half-Asian, which POTUS does not appear to be.

If this failure to notice that SADO was not a Filipina named Anna Obama was true, Toutonghi would be a big liar who couldn’t be relied on to affirm or deny anything.

Toutonghi’s silence on failing to point out the SADO mistaken mom identity and mistaken baby identity would require that Toutonghi is in on the conspiracy to substitute SADO as Barry’s mom.

That gets back to her possible motive for participating in the baby swap conspiracy as supposedly her being a distant cousin by marriage to Barry’s “real” mom, Valerie Sarruf. But this is clearly lunacy, IMO!

[Fred Nerks]

Slowly but surely with lots of bumps along the way and lots of mistakes and insults, you are getting there...but if Mary had been in on the conspiracy as you say, she would have handled Charlette’s telephone call differently. She was caught unawares and told the truth.
It was Charlette who named the child, it was Charlette who turned ANNA into Stanley Ann in the article.

[chicken head]

a african article naming her “Anna toot”— I dont know bout the toot part but seems to nail anna.. anna toot dunham? — sounds crazy

http://allafrica.com/stories/200408160533.html?page=4