Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.
I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
Has anyone checked the numbers around the xxx-xx-8522 number?
Isn’t that how they zeroed in on Obama’s ssn issue date?
“I’m having trouble comprehending how you arrive at the conclusion that Stanley Ann was in Washington in 1961. The document to which you link indicates the Social Security number was issued from 1959-1961.
“Am I missing something?”
Yes.
An image on the web that is claimed to be SADO’s SS application made in WA shows a date of 1959 which is consistent with SADO’s SS# first five digit date range of 1959-1961. There is nothing inconsistent there.
Numerous contemporaneous documents and witness testimony corroborate SADO being in WA in the fall of 1961:
BHO Sr. INS FOIA docs anticipate her being there
U of WA transcript shows her there
U of HI transcript includes U of WA credits towards BA
Witnesses (several friends) say she was there
Polk registry has her there
I think the issue is not if she was in WA in 1961 but when.
She was definitely there in late August/early Septmeber, 1961 as related by two of her friends who she visited.
Her UWA transcript show the fall ‘61 class was an extension/correspondence course.
If it was a correspondence course, than she could have taken that anywhere, even Hawaii.
“12 year-old Obama is dependent on someone else or a not-for-profit charitable organization under contract to provide family services.”
I doubt that a single instance can be documented of a charitable child-custodial organization reimbursing a well-healed set of grandparents (one a bank VP) for the cost of supporting their own grandchild and claiming that child as a dependent on the tax-exempt federal tax return. That makes no sense as a legal or practical matter, IMO as a retired CPA.
The circumstantial evidence is leads to the obvious conclusion that the Dunhams were supporting Barry in their own home (room and board and incidental expenses) while he was attending a fancy school on scholarship and that they were claiming him as a dependent on their state and federal tax returns.
“At that time he almost certainly went onto an Indonesian passport.”
Why not his own US passport?
“12 year-old Obama is dependent on someone else or a not-for-profit charitable organization under contract to provide family services.”
If Obama re-entered the U.S. alone under another country’s passport and was considered an alien and not a U.S. citizen, then NO ONE would be able to claim him as a dependent on their tax return if it hadn’t yet been established that he was a resident alien.
Something to keep in mind is that the average maternity stay in 1960 was 8 days. The era of drive-through births had not yet
So using the average for the time SAD would be leaving the hospital on August 12, 1961.
There is no sign of ‘correspondence course’ enrollment.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/anna.htm
From above:
“The e-mail from the University of Washington registrar did not say Dunham was enrolled in Hawaii for correspondence extension classes she took in Hawaii.
As is clear from the transcript itself, in the autumn term 1961, Dunham took two classes: Anthropology 100, beginning on Aug. 19, 1961 and ending on Dec. 11, 1961; and Political Science 201, beginning on Aug. 19, 1961 and ending on Dec. 12, 1961. “
So to fit the narrative timeline it has to be believed that SAD left the hospital around August 12th, traveled to Washington with child across the Pacific, settled in Washington, registered for classes and started taking classes in about a week. No internet, no on-line access. At best things would have to be done by mail if she was not in Washington. Overseas mail - not incantations e-mails or online web forms. Logistics were a lot different back then.
An interesting thing is that the transcript says classes started August 19, 1961. Or at least that is how it has been interpreted. But that date is a Saturday. An odd starting day for classes.
In 1968 his mother and step-father were legally Indonesian citizens. He was legally an Indonesian citizen and living in Indonesia. How does he get a US passport? How do foreign parents get their child a US passport?
A US-issued passport for Obama from 1968-1971 would resolve a lot of questions. But lacking that proof, all indications are he would have had only an Indonesian passport.
I think mom kept up her ‘dual citizenship’ gig, even though that would get her in hot water in Indonesia. But to do the same for the child was probably problematic.
To clear this up, we need the 1973 Federal and State tax returns for grandparents Madelyn and Stanley Dunham.
Today extension classes at many colleges are at night and on weekends.
Even if the semester began on 8/19 doesn’t mean her particular classes started on that date. They may have only met on Tuesdays or Thursdays, for example.
Doesn’t the FOIA info show she kept renewing her US passport from the 1960s to the 1980s?
If she had naturalized as an Indonesian citizen wouldn’t she lose the US passport?
“An interesting thing is that the transcript says classes started August 19, 1961.”
There are conflicting claims over what the start date of 8/19/61 means relative to actual class start after registration.
Students obviously can “add” into a course after the course has started up to a certain point in most universities.
Also “average hospital stay after birth” is an average offering no proof of length of stay, especially length of stay in Kenya, for example.
Numerous contemporaneous documents and witness testimony corroborate SADO being in WA in the fall of 1961:
BHO Sr. INS FOIA docs anticipate her being there U of WA transcript shows her there U of HI transcript includes U of WA credits towards BA Witnesses (several friends) say she was there Polk registry has her there
I get all that, but from the main posting I got the impression that the social security card or application thereof placed her in WA in 1961. Yes, the University of Washington documents places her there, and yes, some contemporary friends place her there, but I see no evidence that the social security application places her there in 1961.
Bluecat6...you said: “At best things would have to be done by mail if she was not in Washington.”
Here is the transcript. Notice ‘’Extension/Correspondence’?
http://s651.beta.photobucket.com/user/firewaller/media/DunhamUWtranscript.jpg.html
None of this is news to me. I thought something new had been put forth. (That her social security application occurred in 1961, presumably prior to Barry’s birth.)
042-68-4424 — March 21, 1977 — Thomas Louis Wood — Newington, Connecticut
042-68-4425 — March ??, 1977 — Barack Hussein Obama — Honolulu, Hawaii
042-68-4429 — March 16, 1977 — Paul Michael Graziano — Yorktown, Connecticut
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2731566/posts
I've seen evidence that the August 19th date is incorrect. At the time, the information was sufficient to convince me that it is in fact a mistake. I had a long discussion about this with one of the politer Obama trolls. It's somewhere in my posting history if you want to look it up.
The application was in 1959 and although Hendershot implies that it was made in 1961 he doesn’t say so. He seems to be trumpeting his “finding” that SADO was in WA at any time in 1961, which is not news to us but might be news to him if he wasn’t paying attention up to this point. We shall have to await further clarification by Hendershot and/or debunking/affirmation of the 1959 SS application for SADO, it seems.
Ha! I said that over a year ago. Nice to see someone else is thinking along the same lines. Since they are both dead, there should be no reason to with hold such information.
Okay. I was wondering why this was news worthy.
On a separate topic, do you know anyone in the Washington D.C. area that might be willing to look for some specific documents in the National Archives? I’ve got what I think is a really good idea.
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