Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Today, I had a conversation with an investigator from the Cold Case Posse in AZ. We talked and I expanded on several dossiers filled with evidence for over an hour. They asked for all of my relevant information on Obama, the Harry Bounel alias evidence, and the dossiers I completed on Stanley Ann Dunham, her parents, and Michelle Obama as well. They have it all. BTW they also say that it looks like my information cannot be disproved and will be useful.
I have proof, definitive proof that Stanley Ann Dunham was in WA state in "1961" as per the issuance of a SSN numident in her name with the SSN 535-40-8522. There is no way that she was in HI and I have proof because in the fall she was in college in WA, not HI.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
May the Lord guide and bless you!
Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
When I’m too sick to do anything I wind up spending too much time on FR and then I get freaked out as well as being sick...
OK is there any reason the grandparents (Stanley and Madelyn) could not have had legal custody?
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Under somewhat normal circumstances - it would make sense. But Obama II likely came over from Indonesia without his mother or step-father - as he indicates his book. Records support him NOT being with SAD in October of 1971 when she arrived since she arrived on an expired passport and through that paper trail there is no sign of a child. And remember Obama was already removed from her passport in 1968. At that time he almost certainly went onto an Indonesian passport.
So if he shows up with a foreign passport and no legal parent - what happens? To legally stay in the country he probably NEEDS to be declared a refugee. As you can see from CCS sites a refugee is anyone who has reason to fear harm if they return to their home country. Given the volatility in Indonesia at the time that case could easily be made.
So what do you do with a legal refugee? Get him an advocate - i.e. CCS and then ensure he has a home - i.e. the grandparents. But can you just assign the parents grandparents legal guardianship. I do not have the knowledge to know. But something caused SAD to come to the US in October and then they had to bring Obama Sr. over in December of 1971. Some of this had to get sorted out during that time. There was a legal/custody reason for the ‘grand family reunion of 1971’.
As for when one get a social security number. Personally I go mine after my brother was born and my parents just went ahead and applied for both of us. Because of that we have numbers that are similar though we are 3 years apart in age. I guess the push to go ahead and get numbers for kids may have started in the mid-60s. Though the standard of getting one right at birth as today was not at all the standard in the early 60s.
You may need a social security for various things as a 15 year old. Most likely - a job (if you believe the B&R story) or even a drivers license. If Hawaii let you get your driving permit at 15 1/2 (as many states did/do) then the time frame makes sense. And, though the Chom gang history may not support this, he may have needed a social security number to take college entrance tests. In any case, by the time you were 15 in the late 1970s there were various reasons to have a social security number.
The oligarchs are planning on sending their troopers to kill Americans, the lederly, pregnant women, and children, based upon the targets they ordered from a printer which depict these people as shootable threats. It is now an open secret which doesn’t trouble media at all, making THEM fair targets when the rule of law breaks down into rule by armed shock troops serving the hidden oligarchs.
CCS = CSS above...
They despise me. They roll their eyes at me.
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You just described my 7th grade math students! :-)
Sort of evidence?..... Are you serious???? The evidence I have seen is overwhelming on several fronts. Instead of implying that the evidence is weak.... Can you give us specific examples where it is flawed?
"""...“evidence” that's been presented so far.....""""
Evidence presented to who???? To You??? Sorry, but so far there has been no congressional investigation nor hearing, and not one court has seen fit to let the judicial process go to even the discovery phase!!! Obama was given a pass and allowed to ignore court subpoenas even after being warned by an attorney general just a few days before not to do so..... I guess you think we should ignore that too.
"""""...I've read some Obama eligibility theories that border on the absurd.""""
Oh really? Again, please be more specific?
""""I thought the Cold Case Posse did good work, but even they didn't say Obama’s documents were definite frauds. They only said the documents appeared fake. That's not conclusive evidence that Obama is ineligible.""""
NOT TRUE!!!! There were two news conferences from Sheriff Arpio's investigation. In the first, the Sheriff concluded that there was probable cause and the documents appeared fake. However, several months later, in the second news conference, the conclusion was that the LFBC that was presented on the official government web site was a digital fabrication and could not possibly be a true scanned copy of Obama's Birth Certificate.
You may appeal to low information voters when you misrepresent the facts but not us here at Free Republic.
Who are you????
Thanks for the ping!
Lolo Soetoro, Indonesian National, used SSN 575-52-3935, 1973 Federal tax return indicates no dependents/exemptions.
http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/94hl2qbfk011akkj/images/168-94eae5fa1b.jpg
1973 HI Income Tax Return, 1 dependent child identified as “Maya.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908395/posts?q=1&;page=251
see post 274— only 1 dependent Maya under Exemptions Section.
Both returns prepared by professional tax preparer.
I know the Federal return only shows exemptions for the two adults, but the line is blank for total exemptions. By exploring further, it’s obvious that one dependent child was claimed on the Federal return, just like the Hawaiian return. If you check the IRS instructions for the 1973 Form 1040 (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i1040—1973.pdf), it’s obvious that Tax Table 3 on page 23 was used to figure the income tax. For an adjusted gross income of $4,250 - $4,300, the tax for married filing joint with three exemptions is $102.
As to why the child was not included on the line where she should have been? Having prepared returns in that era, I can see how that would happen. Ann had two children, but she and her husband weren’t earning very much. According to Wikipedia, Ann’s folks were paying for Obama to attend a private school. In order to claim a child on your tax return, you have to provide over 1/2 of their support. Since Ann’s folks were paying at least part of his tuition, they were probably providing over 1/2 his support and, as such, claimed him as a deduction on their tax return. At their income level, it was a greater benefit to them than to Ann, so it made sense. Back to why the exemption line was blank? My guess is that the preparer left that blank while they gathered data to see who could claim Obama on their tax return and never remembered to return to fill that line out. Nowadays computer programs won’t let you forget things like that, but computer prepared returns weren’t nearly as common back then. An easy mistake to make.
Constitution 123, you wrote: “However, several months later, in the second news conference, the conclusion was that the LFBC that was presented on the official government web site was a digital fabrication and could not possibly be a true scanned copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate.”
You are correct:
Sheriff Arpaio said at the second news conference that “we can now conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the birth document Barack Obama submitted on April 27, 2011 is a forgery.”
Mike Zullo, lead investigator of the Cold Case Posse recently stated on January 27, 2012 that:
“We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt—the higher standard—beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery.”
Zullo also said; “the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery.”
Placemark.
In this Georgia Ballot Eligibility Challenge, Obama was ORDERED to show up for court. Instead, the attorney for Obama attempted to go over the court's head by sending written correspondence to Georgia's Secretary of State telling him that they did not intend to show up and he expected the Secretary of state to throw out the case. The Georgia Secretary of state responded by telling Obama's counsel that they would skip the ballot hearing "at your own peril"
Well Obama did not appear so the Judge offered the plaintiffs a summery judgement. The plaintiffs, assuming they would prevail, wanted the opportunity to present their case.
The judge heard the case and rather than as expected enter a default judgement as is normally be done when a defendant ignores a suepona, found in Obama's favor anyway. I smell something very ROTTEN.
I believe secret night time phone calls were made from on high with threats or promises.
I have some disagreement with the tax form. Not totally familiar with the 70’s but why was an Indonesian National filing as a US Citizen? There are forms for Foreign persons. It goes by the husband not the wife.
“If you check the IRS instructions for the 1973 Form 1040 (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i1040—1973.pdf), it’s obvious that Tax Table 3 on page 23 was used to figure the income tax. For an adjusted gross income of $4,250 - $4,300, the tax for married filing joint with three exemptions is $102.”
The tax table is used to determine tax owed on adjusted gross income for the taxpayers identified. On the Soetoro 1973 Federal Return, the taxpayers are Stanley Ann Soetoro and Lolo Soetoro. Consequently, the tax table prints tax amounts for under the headings:
* Single, not head of household
* Head of Household
* Married Filing Joint
* Married Living Separate
Exemptions are applied to reduce gross income and derive adjusted gross income. Adjusted gross income is used to determine taxes owed. The tax table cannot be used to determine the number of exemptions.
NOTE to Wildhighlander57: OBOTS and ConcernedFreepers seem anxious about the Soetoro’s tax returns and insist a dependent was indentified on the Soetoro 1973 Federal Return when one was not identified. One dependent was identified on the Soetoro 1973 HI return, “Maya”. OBOTS and ConcernedFreepers insist this is proof the Dunhams claimed Obama as a dependent on their tax returns, yet no proof has been published.
I maintain Obama could not have been a dependent on the Soetoro’s or Dunhams’s 1973 tax returns because he was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticuts with Madelyn Dunham appointed as his legal guardian. The legal guardian was paid a monthly stipend to support Obama. She didn’t provide financial support for Obama. She was paid to provide for Obama.
I have some disagreement with the tax form. Not totally familiar with the 70’s but why was an Indonesian National filing as a US Citizen? There are forms for Foreign persons. It goes by the husband not the wife.
No, that’s not the way it works.
If you a non-resident alien, you file using Form 1040NR. Resident aliens use Form 1040. I’m not going to try to find 1973 instructions. I doubt they’ve changed that much over the years. The current instructions are here: http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1040nr/index.html.
Exemptions are applied to reduce gross income and derive adjusted gross income. Adjusted gross income is used to determine taxes owed. The tax table cannot be used to determine the number of exemptions.
No, that’s not how they did it in 1973. Look at the tax return! Look at the tables (btw, the link got changed when FreeRepublic converted it to a link. Change the — in the url to two dashes). There are separate tables based on the number of exemptions claimed. Table 3 it titled “Returns Claiming THREE Exemptions (and not itemizing).” If the Soetoros had only claimed their own two exemptions, they would have used Table 2.
Since Ann took Maya as an exemption on their Hawaiian return, it makes sense that they also took her on their federal return.
I don’t know who took Obama as an exemption. If his grandparents provided over half of his support, they could have claimed him, but, without their returns, we don’t know that for sure.
I’m having trouble comprehending how you arrive at the conclusion that Stanley Ann was in Washington in 1961. The document to which you link indicates the Social Security number was issued from 1959-1961.
Am I missing something?
Okay, I see it. Soetoro tax returns ... 3 exemptions with Maya named on Federal return.
12 year-old Obama is dependent on someone else or a not-for-profit charitable organization under contract to provide family services.
“Can the govt scrub a religious organizations archives?
Anybody have connections to C.S.S.?”
I’ve heard about several well-placed individuals in government who know people, who know people at C.S.S. But they are there to protect C.S.S. and Obama, not expose him.
You could water-board them and they wouldn’t say a word. It’s that important.
Excuse me if you’ve already answered this:
Why not Catholic Charities Hawaii?
From their home page:
“We are an organization long trusted in the community for our innovative and professional approach to human services. Serving Hawai’i since 1947, we offer help to people of all faiths and cultures, especially those with the greatest need.”
And from their “Immigration and Refugee Services” page.
“Immigration and resettlement services for immigrants and refugees to help them to play a significant role in their own self-determination.”
“General Immigration Services - Case management services for immigrants who need immigration related assistance including filing immigration petitions and applications. English as a second language (ESL) and citizenship classes also offered. Available on O‘ahu and Hawai‘i Island.”
“Refugee Reception and Placement Program* - Pre-arrival, reception, and post-arrival services.”
http://www.catholiccharitieshawaii.org/site/384/immigrant___refugee_services.aspx
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